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kurt_cagle

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40. Apt in some respects, not in others
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:32 PM
Jun 2012

Germany had been defeated after World War I and placed under heavy war reparations - "austerity" as we would call it today. Financial mismanagement resulted in the massive hyperinflation in the period from about 1921-1924, raising resentment levels among a population that was already used to being under arms. While one could argue that the Reichstagg Fire and 9/11 were similar, the one caused a political regime change (Hitler coming to power in 1931) while the other did not. 1 in 6 adult Germans were in uniform by 1936, while in the United States it's closer to 1 in 100. Germany was politically unified by the early 1930s - the communists were generally incarcerated early, and even in the early 1930s there were Jews that were strongly pro-Nazi, it wasn't until they became targeted as a political class in 1932 that concern among most German Jews began to rise.

The US is divided geographically, politically, and economically, to the extent that two or three states in the Midwest can change the balance of power politically. It's too big for either party to completely politically purge the other without raising so much hue and cry as to send the offending political parties packing. It's a security state, but not really a police state. Police states have one party in such complete political control as to make it feasible to "disappear" people on a wide spread basis. For most people, the Dept of Homeland Security does not really enter their lives, save for either air travel or FEMA during emergencies. Could they morph into something like the Gestapo? Possibly, but keep in mind that the Gestapo emerged primarily from the brown-shirted thugs that helped him get into power, and the SS was created as an elite fighting unit more akin to Army Rangers or Navy Seals or the US Secret Service protecting the president.

It's possible for a charismatic authority to emerge in the next few years a la Hitler, but I think it unlikely. The country is too polarized. Any one person who is revered enough by one faction will be considered the devil by the other. I see the rise of a secessionist leader as a far higher possibility - someone who advocates secession and is able to mobilize half the country behind him.

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That creak is the tipping point to the fascist state, PDJane Jun 2012 #1
Technically, it almost always probably was. But there was a time you could... Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #5
If we aren't exceptional why do we get to use up so much more resources per capita than others? dkf Jun 2012 #11
I keep getting hammered when I point that out. PDJane Jun 2012 #13
Are pigs exceptional just because they are, well, pigs? n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #22
And we are the pigs? Lol. dkf Jun 2012 #27
Thought you might like that one <G> n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #45
Not for long. That is not going to last. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #43
Buy vintage or used - I will NOT pay for clothes Made in China adigal Jun 2012 #57
Excellent analysis MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #2
2000 was the tipping point. ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #9
I see two different dates airplaneman Jun 2012 #14
It maybe can be fixed after some period of time, but it's what's going to... Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #12
i think the development of fascism in Italy is a better analogy. sudopod Jun 2012 #29
But even Germany got fixed Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #41
Fixed how? Plucketeer Jun 2012 #53
Perhaps we should look to the Scandanavian countries for some guidance MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #55
Wish I could give you a good argument. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #3
It's a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. Zalatix Jun 2012 #4
"...and The Road for everyone else." (Shudder) That's a... Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #21
Most people don't think it's THAT bad. Zalatix Jun 2012 #30
barbara satan bush and her eugenics sickness coming to roost. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #36
Which is why President Obama said we're entering into an era of social Darwinism. Zalatix Jun 2012 #48
I feel it's like a run-away train. Alexander Cockburn wrote an article "So Who's the FAscist Here?" rhett o rick Jun 2012 #6
"How can we get a corrupt Congress to reform itself?" I don't think it can. I think we've... Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #33
I am afraid I agree. We have crossed the line. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #34
People hate it when you mention mick063 Jun 2012 #7
agree Mick oldhippydude Jun 2012 #15
I agree, plez see post 6. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #35
Apt in some respects, not in others kurt_cagle Jun 2012 #40
your choices ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #8
I too believe that we have crossed the Rubicon me b zola Jun 2012 #10
That's similiar to what I was trying to say here......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #16
And there's the rub: Even if you could get fair elections, you still... Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #58
What urgently needs to be done is to liquidate the empire Wolf Frankula Jun 2012 #17
I have been hearing that creak ever since the 2002passage of the Authorization to Use Military Force patrice Jun 2012 #18
I agree that it's too late even for reforms......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #19
Nobody is going to do that........ Capt.Rocky300 Jun 2012 #24
Too bad then........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #20
As long as we keep increasing military spending ...everything will be fine. L0oniX Jun 2012 #23
Please. You're forgetting tax cuts for the rich, er, job GODS. nt valerief Jun 2012 #26
I keep saying we're the new USSR. We're the USSA. nt valerief Jun 2012 #25
Did you see the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" Dont call me Shirley Jun 2012 #38
The VP in the movie screams "Cheney". Odin2005 Jun 2012 #62
I heard it a few years ago. caseymoz Jun 2012 #28
Yes kurt_cagle Jun 2012 #32
Of course progressives arent the problem but the centrists would tell you different. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #39
Centrists are ... kurt_cagle Jun 2012 #46
The Third Way apologists are not "centrists." woo me with science Jun 2012 #51
I completely agree. However, it's the centrists that fight for status quo rhett o rick Jun 2012 #52
Problems are mounting faster than we can tackle them CanonRay Jun 2012 #54
People are just hearing this "creak" now? kurt_cagle Jun 2012 #31
Bush I was the tipping point (and Clinton pushed us farther) FarCenter Jun 2012 #37
I wish you were wrong.. 99Forever Jun 2012 #44
I thought that point was passed long ago stupidicus Jun 2012 #47
You make your point really well. bleever Jun 2012 #49
Sadly,....I agree /nt Dragonfli Jun 2012 #50
This is a hard thread to read but so damn important I carefully read every post riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #56
There is always someone saying this treestar Jun 2012 #59
At what point felix_numinous Jun 2012 #60
We have been kicking the can down the road for over 30 years Odin2005 Jun 2012 #61
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