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ButterflyBlood

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65. I'm not going to defend the policy but it's not motivated by bigotry
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_who_have_sex_with_men

Countries like Canada, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark all have similar policies. The largest European country that doesn't: Russia. Yeah I sure wouldn't consider Russia more progressive on gay rights than the aforementioned countries.

As to if it IS a good policy I'll just state that I'm not a medical doctor or someone qualified to speak on it.
I can't donate because I lived in Europe (US Army) for more than three months. underpants Jun 2016 #1
Me too - studied in the UK for a few years whatthehey Jun 2016 #24
until there is link, JCD is incurable and pretty much untreatable Demonaut Jun 2016 #38
And yet people in the UK are not dropping like flies when they get blood transfusions whatthehey Jun 2016 #52
I used to work for the Red Cross in their blood bank. Let me see if I can explain their stand. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #2
Thank you Peggy. cwydro Jun 2016 #4
Thank YOU, my dear cwydro... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #5
Why is a person more apt to have a blood borne disease because they are gay? uppityperson Jun 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #13
Wrong. You say no gay man should be allowed to donate blood, where heteros can, because some uppityperson Jun 2016 #15
I was a nurse too, but not specialized in HIV prevention. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #19
I went to a presentation in early 80's given by Robert Gallo on HTLV-III uppityperson Jun 2016 #20
Gay men make up 2% of the polulation and 60% of HIV cases Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #28
ONLY if they engage is risky actions. A heterosexual woman who has unprotected intercourse is much uppityperson Jun 2016 #29
Thats not how risk pools work Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #34
Prions, now there's a really scary thing. uppityperson Jun 2016 #35
Largely because of history - but the number of new HIV infections are sharply higher among men. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #78
Then ban men. For real though, ban anyone, any gender, any orientation, who has participated in uppityperson Jun 2016 #79
There are two problems with that approach. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #80
How does banning someone who doesn't engage in risky behavior make any sense? uppityperson Jun 2016 #82
"Deferred" is the terminology. If people were robots, you'd be right. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #83
"no individual can ever be sure about the actual risks of their sexual behavior"? Exactly. uppityperson Jun 2016 #84
I was unable to give because my whole family had hepatitis. jwirr Jun 2016 #17
I wasn't able to give for a year TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #53
Thia nurse thanks you for this post. 840high Jun 2016 #59
wow...wtf... really stupid policy in the first place uponit7771 Jun 2016 #3
Did you read my post #2? It explains the policy. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #6
I don't see empirically being gay increases the chances of someone getting tainted blood... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #7
I'm not sure I understand your question. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #10
Why would a gay person be any more likely to have a blood borne disease? How does screening by uppityperson Jun 2016 #12
See post #13. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #14
See post #15 and #9. eom uppityperson Jun 2016 #16
If there were another demographic that is ~40x more likely to have HIV... ag_dude Jun 2016 #21
Narrow down the demographic. And 40X is very inaccurate. uppityperson Jun 2016 #25
40x is actually lower than the CDC cited estimates ag_dude Jun 2016 #26
I am old enough to have worked as a nurse before HIV, and to understand statistics. uppityperson Jun 2016 #27
If you're saying the ban should be dropped for lesbians, I agree ag_dude Jun 2016 #31
The op says local blood banks requirements have not caught up with FDA ones. At minimum, they should uppityperson Jun 2016 #43
No, it wasn't a stupid policy. cwydro Jun 2016 #8
No - it's not. 840high Jun 2016 #60
Ironic bigotry. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #9
Yup. It is amazing that people still defend having this policy today. uppityperson Jun 2016 #18
Some poeple are gold medalist gymnasts when it comes to protecting bigotry. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #44
I don't know, is it even safe to reply to you? I might catch them gay cooties at 40X uppityperson Jun 2016 #46
LMGAO! Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #48
Thanks for the links about What Gay Men Really Do In Bed uppityperson Jun 2016 #51
I found an article on women and anal sex, for someone else on another thread on same topic uppityperson Jun 2016 #86
I knew what I would find in this thread before I even clicked on it. JackBeck Jun 2016 #64
And it is being done by folks in this thread who have been told repeatedly for over a decade JackBeck Jun 2016 #63
Gay people don't have 'tainted blood' ag_dude Jun 2016 #23
What you fail to understand is the risk. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #36
No, it doesnt. You are making stuff up. ag_dude Jun 2016 #39
Do you understand that not all sex between men involves anal? That's not making things up. uppityperson Jun 2016 #40
Yes I do, where are your stats? ag_dude Jun 2016 #41
Here you go. They don't have mutual masturbation, since that's negligible risk uppityperson Jun 2016 #45
That's not a population risk based on sexual activity. ag_dude Jun 2016 #47
Do you think there is a difference because of sexual orientation for any action? uppityperson Jun 2016 #50
I am not making anything up. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #42
Gay people are at a higher risk for HIV Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #30
They are at higher risk based on certain activities, not because of who we are. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #37
Until recently there was no test for CJD Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #61
Anyone who participates in risky behavior is in a high risk group regardless of gender or orientatio uppityperson Jun 2016 #62
"limit on donations from gay men is an international standard" Really? Troubling if true (nt) TacoD Jun 2016 #22
Direct your anger appropriately. Glassunion Jun 2016 #32
The lifetime ban from the FDA was changed last year. ag_dude Jun 2016 #33
In the op, it states this... uppityperson Jun 2016 #49
In the op, it states this... uppityperson Jun 2016 #54
I realize my error Glassunion Jun 2016 #55
I didn't know they could still do that either. uppityperson Jun 2016 #56
I was still using an old map, as I am still asked when I donate. Glassunion Jun 2016 #57
Yup, make it about risky behavior for everyone. uppityperson Jun 2016 #58
Oneblood in Florida does follow FDA guidelines OriginalGeek Jun 2016 #69
Thank you, I just looked at the article and saw the update. uppityperson Jun 2016 #72
I'm not going to defend the policy but it's not motivated by bigotry ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #65
In the op, it states this... uppityperson Jun 2016 #66
as the husband of a leukemia pateint who died in the mid 80s dembotoz Jun 2016 #67
Why should someone who engages in no risky behavior be banned only because of their orientation? uppityperson Jun 2016 #68
That is what's happening here ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #70
For the question of "male/male sex" being so risky, like m/f sex, it depends on what is done uppityperson Jun 2016 #71
Gay men have AIDS at a rate 44x the rate of heterosexual men. Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #74
We've already addressed this upthread. Do you know the difference between HIV and AIDS? between uppityperson Jun 2016 #75
if you can not donate blood.. ,.do something else dembotoz Jun 2016 #73
I'm running a drive in Lake Country next Thursday if you're interested. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #77
Things that are based on objective realities are not discriminatory Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #76
Yup and there are many things that can exclude you TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #81
Kicked so that folks can see what thinly veiled animus towards the LGBT community looks like. JackBeck Jun 2016 #85
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