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passiveporcupine

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19. Thankfully, Obama is proposing a raise in SS to help people out of poverty.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

Something that should have happened long ago. Republicans are probably going to prevent anything like this passing though.

I don't think SS should be eliminated or cut for a UBI. SS is earned income you've paid for your whole life, and it reflects your income level and your cost of living at retirement. If everyone had UBI, it would mean the more you make on SS, the better off you will be when you retire, not just barely making it on a UBI. So it will still inspire people to become educated and move up the ladder. Minimum wage also needs to be a rate that is "livable" and not eliminated or cut because of UBI. In other words, MickyD does not get to lower wages because now the employees all have UBI...they still need to pay a livable wage, which will result in those employees getting higher SS benefits when they retire. Especially in a world where low income jobs are becoming the norm for a huge number of our workforce.

UBI should be a buffer so people are not living in poverty because of something like a job loss or health issue or expensive car repair. It should help lower income people afford to educate themselves, or pay for day care so they can work, or anything that helps them avoid the soul-killing effects of poverty.

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Hmm. Should be: UBER-conservative Right-only-this-once-economist Milton Friedman. Not as stated. eom Festivito Jun 2016 #1
What are you talking about? This is an excellent idea that will be coming as some point. FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #5
I'd wager that most conservatives don't even know who Milton Friedman is. progressoid Jun 2016 #8
Oops. My goof. I changed my title. His support was way back in time. Festivito Jun 2016 #13
I agree, Milton pretty much sucks! FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #24
The proposal also wants to abolish all other social welfare programs !!! pbmus Jun 2016 #2
Some would probably be wrapped into it. Not Social Security, however. This is just to provide a FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #6
Just expand SS is the best proposal...we don't need another program ... pbmus Jun 2016 #22
Yeah, we really do. SS is retirement or disability. This is basic social safety net regardless of FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #25
Only if it were in addition to Social Security, SheilaT Jun 2016 #3
It is. FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #7
I think that those proposing this are not the ones who would jwirr Jun 2016 #10
If poor people become less poor as a result of government spending, it's "SOCIALISM!" closeupready Jun 2016 #4
Well played n/t KatyMan Jun 2016 #11
It would be interesting to know what the administration of jwirr Jun 2016 #9
U in UBI SusanLarson Jun 2016 #12
Thankfully, Obama is proposing a raise in SS to help people out of poverty. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #19
And it would be an excellent way to redistribute wealth. I jwirr Jun 2016 #23
That's $32/mo more than I get from Social Security now. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #14
One of my friends and I were discussing this morning what a struggle it is to live in the RKP5637 Jun 2016 #15
Anecdotal to the max, but I'd open up a job for a start. whatthehey Jun 2016 #16
Excellent point passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #20
If it's separate from Social Security, SheilaT Jun 2016 #17
Every citizen yesphan Jun 2016 #18
While some may resent this, extending to children would be an issue whatthehey Jun 2016 #21
I agree TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #26
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