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Travis_0004

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74. Gay men have AIDS at a rate 44x the rate of heterosexual men.

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:35 PM

Jun 2016

Source: CDC.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/26/study-20-of-homosexual-men-are-hiv-positive-but-only-half-know-it/

People who engage in MSM are 44x more likely to have aids.

So a woman having anal sex is 44x less likely that her partner has aids, compared to the partner engaging in MSM sex.

Obviously if everyone above had no STDs the chance for infection is 0. But a lot of people dont know they have AIDS.

So I would argue that MSM sex is much more risky than a male having anal sex with a woman.

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Blood bank in Florida still turning away gay donors after terrorist attack [View all] KamaAina Jun 2016 OP

I can't donate because I lived in Europe (US Army) for more than three months. underpants Jun 2016 #1

Me too - studied in the UK for a few years whatthehey Jun 2016 #24

until there is link, JCD is incurable and pretty much untreatable Demonaut Jun 2016 #38

And yet people in the UK are not dropping like flies when they get blood transfusions whatthehey Jun 2016 #52

I used to work for the Red Cross in their blood bank. Let me see if I can explain their stand. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #2

Thank you Peggy. cwydro Jun 2016 #4

Thank YOU, my dear cwydro... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #5

Why is a person more apt to have a blood borne disease because they are gay? uppityperson Jun 2016 #11

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #13

Wrong. You say no gay man should be allowed to donate blood, where heteros can, because some uppityperson Jun 2016 #15

I was a nurse too, but not specialized in HIV prevention. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #19

I went to a presentation in early 80's given by Robert Gallo on HTLV-III uppityperson Jun 2016 #20

Gay men make up 2% of the polulation and 60% of HIV cases Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #28

ONLY if they engage is risky actions. A heterosexual woman who has unprotected intercourse is much uppityperson Jun 2016 #29

Thats not how risk pools work Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #34

Prions, now there's a really scary thing. uppityperson Jun 2016 #35

Largely because of history - but the number of new HIV infections are sharply higher among men. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #78

Then ban men. For real though, ban anyone, any gender, any orientation, who has participated in uppityperson Jun 2016 #79

There are two problems with that approach. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #80

How does banning someone who doesn't engage in risky behavior make any sense? uppityperson Jun 2016 #82

"Deferred" is the terminology. If people were robots, you'd be right. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #83

"no individual can ever be sure about the actual risks of their sexual behavior"? Exactly. uppityperson Jun 2016 #84

I was unable to give because my whole family had hepatitis. jwirr Jun 2016 #17

I wasn't able to give for a year TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #53

Thia nurse thanks you for this post. 840high Jun 2016 #59

wow...wtf... really stupid policy in the first place uponit7771 Jun 2016 #3

Did you read my post #2? It explains the policy. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #6

I don't see empirically being gay increases the chances of someone getting tainted blood... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #7

I'm not sure I understand your question. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #10

Why would a gay person be any more likely to have a blood borne disease? How does screening by uppityperson Jun 2016 #12

See post #13. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2016 #14

See post #15 and #9. eom uppityperson Jun 2016 #16

If there were another demographic that is ~40x more likely to have HIV... ag_dude Jun 2016 #21

Narrow down the demographic. And 40X is very inaccurate. uppityperson Jun 2016 #25

40x is actually lower than the CDC cited estimates ag_dude Jun 2016 #26

I am old enough to have worked as a nurse before HIV, and to understand statistics. uppityperson Jun 2016 #27

If you're saying the ban should be dropped for lesbians, I agree ag_dude Jun 2016 #31

The op says local blood banks requirements have not caught up with FDA ones. At minimum, they should uppityperson Jun 2016 #43

No, it wasn't a stupid policy. cwydro Jun 2016 #8

No - it's not. 840high Jun 2016 #60

Ironic bigotry. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #9

Yup. It is amazing that people still defend having this policy today. uppityperson Jun 2016 #18

Some poeple are gold medalist gymnasts when it comes to protecting bigotry. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #44

I don't know, is it even safe to reply to you? I might catch them gay cooties at 40X uppityperson Jun 2016 #46

LMGAO! Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #48

Thanks for the links about What Gay Men Really Do In Bed uppityperson Jun 2016 #51

I found an article on women and anal sex, for someone else on another thread on same topic uppityperson Jun 2016 #86

I knew what I would find in this thread before I even clicked on it. JackBeck Jun 2016 #64

And it is being done by folks in this thread who have been told repeatedly for over a decade JackBeck Jun 2016 #63

Gay people don't have 'tainted blood' ag_dude Jun 2016 #23

What you fail to understand is the risk. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #36

No, it doesnt. You are making stuff up. ag_dude Jun 2016 #39

Do you understand that not all sex between men involves anal? That's not making things up. uppityperson Jun 2016 #40

Yes I do, where are your stats? ag_dude Jun 2016 #41

Here you go. They don't have mutual masturbation, since that's negligible risk uppityperson Jun 2016 #45

That's not a population risk based on sexual activity. ag_dude Jun 2016 #47

Do you think there is a difference because of sexual orientation for any action? uppityperson Jun 2016 #50

I am not making anything up. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #42

Gay people are at a higher risk for HIV Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #30

They are at higher risk based on certain activities, not because of who we are. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #37

Until recently there was no test for CJD Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #61

Anyone who participates in risky behavior is in a high risk group regardless of gender or orientatio uppityperson Jun 2016 #62

"limit on donations from gay men is an international standard" Really? Troubling if true (nt) TacoD Jun 2016 #22

Direct your anger appropriately. Glassunion Jun 2016 #32

The lifetime ban from the FDA was changed last year. ag_dude Jun 2016 #33

In the op, it states this... uppityperson Jun 2016 #49

In the op, it states this... uppityperson Jun 2016 #54

I realize my error Glassunion Jun 2016 #55

I didn't know they could still do that either. uppityperson Jun 2016 #56

I was still using an old map, as I am still asked when I donate. Glassunion Jun 2016 #57

Yup, make it about risky behavior for everyone. uppityperson Jun 2016 #58

Oneblood in Florida does follow FDA guidelines OriginalGeek Jun 2016 #69

Thank you, I just looked at the article and saw the update. uppityperson Jun 2016 #72

I'm not going to defend the policy but it's not motivated by bigotry ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #65

In the op, it states this... uppityperson Jun 2016 #66

as the husband of a leukemia pateint who died in the mid 80s dembotoz Jun 2016 #67

Why should someone who engages in no risky behavior be banned only because of their orientation? uppityperson Jun 2016 #68

That is what's happening here ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #70

For the question of "male/male sex" being so risky, like m/f sex, it depends on what is done uppityperson Jun 2016 #71

Gay men have AIDS at a rate 44x the rate of heterosexual men. Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #74

We've already addressed this upthread. Do you know the difference between HIV and AIDS? between uppityperson Jun 2016 #75

if you can not donate blood.. ,.do something else dembotoz Jun 2016 #73

I'm running a drive in Lake Country next Thursday if you're interested. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #77

Things that are based on objective realities are not discriminatory Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #76

Yup and there are many things that can exclude you TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #81

Kicked so that folks can see what thinly veiled animus towards the LGBT community looks like. JackBeck Jun 2016 #85