"Conservatives" are traitors.

[Cary]

106. Oh yeah, exactly the same...

Quote: "Liberals" are traitors.

Reply: Okay, that's the thesis. Usually one starts there.

Quote: I reached this conclusion a couple of years ago. It's clear that they value their ideology over the welfare of our nation and the general welfare of WE, THE PEOPLE. I don't see how anyone can honestly deny that "liberals" value their ideology over all else.

Reply: I would refer you to the excellent BBC series, "The Power of Nightmares." I would refer you to the Atlas society--go try to have a discussion with them and then tell me that they don't value their ideology above everything else. I would refer you to Jude Wanniski and the Two Santa Claus theory, which is the blueprint. I would refer you to the latest revelation about the secret meeting of Republicans on inauguration day. I would refer you to Mitch McConnell saying that it was his goal to take down President Obama regardless of the cost. I would refer you to Republican obstructionism. I would refer you to teabaggers, and birthers, and all other manner of hatred amongst "conservatives".

There's a lot more. I have a damning case against them, while they have only bare assertions. I would have thought that would be obvious to you.

Quote: At best they can make a convoluted argument about how they are a priori and therefore their ideology is the best thing for the nation and WE, THE PEOPLE. So what's the difference between that ends justifies the means argument and the argument of any other ideologue or traitor?

Reply: I don't regard myself as ideological or a priori. If you can make a real argument I'm willing to be swayed. Claiming that I valued ideology over all else, with absolutely no evidence, isn't a real argument and I'm not impressed.

Quote: Nothing. There is no difference and they claim their Marxist ideology is American, as if in fact it was an American ideology.

Reply: Calling me a Marxist is even more egregious. I am not a Marxist in any way, shape, or form. Not that their grievances against Marx hold any merit, mind you. They don't. But I'm not a Marxist.

Quote: Their ideology is not the ideology of the founding fathers. It is not Thomas Paine. It is not Thomas Jefferson. What their ideology is, in reality, is a re-branded communism plain and simple. It is socialism.

Reply: Actually I am a big fan of Paine and Jefferson. In fact there is not a single president who hasn't enacted legislation for the general welfare. Their definition of "socialism" is as fucked up as their understanding of Marx. I could go on and on about that too.

In the meantime their claims are demonstrably false.

Quote: I am glad to see a smattering of mainstream talking heads reaching the conclusion that "liberals" are traitors. I reached that conclusion reluctantly because it strikes me as extreme, but I found I had no choice. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and all of that. More of us should come to this realization.

Quote: We are dealing with traitors.

Reply: I really wish I remembered who the MSNBC commentator was, who wrote the new book on this. You're engaging here in a false equivalence.

Quote: It looks to me like you copied something from a speech by Ann Coulter and just changed a couple of words. Does this make you a traitor? If the other side made these arguments...hell, I guess they'd be no better than you.

Reply: As I said, a false equivalence. It's unfortunate that you can't make this distinction and that you insist upon being a "conservative" apologist. But do what you think you've got to do. If that floats your boat, so be it.

Maybe you ought to have this discussion with Ann?