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backscatter712

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8. Get some non-asshat justices in SCOTUS, and gun safety laws will be perfectly within the 2nd Amend.

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:16 PM

Jun 2016

We'll go back to the days when we didn't have right-wing ideologues shitting on precedence, and the Second Amendment will again be seen as something to provide for well-regulated militias, and individual RKBA will not be considered a right.

Gotta love it. Phrase it like "Would requiring all car drivers to have a license, all cars to be registered,everyone wanting a driver's license to take and pass a mandatory driver safety course, and all car owners to buy liability insurance, violate the right to free travel? "

When we're talking about cars, it's perfectly acceptable to do this, and we consider it a small price to pay to keep the number of auto accidents down to a dull roar.

But search and replace "car" with "gun" and all the gun-bunnies come out and scream about their

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Would requiring all gun owners to have a license, all guns to be registered, [View all] Nye Bevan Jun 2016 OP

I would add that full forensics must be documented on each firearm as well. Cassiopeia Jun 2016 #1

You realize a couple of afternoons at the range would invalidate those forensics hack89 Jun 2016 #5

You do know more than one state tried that and gave up after zero crimes solved Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #13

Well, if you only finger-printed 1000 people, then fingerprinting wouldn't work either Orrex Jun 2016 #47

Ahh yes, when something fails massively just try it bigger Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #55

You seem not to understand how reality works Orrex Jun 2016 #73

Neither do you, see post #5. Marengo Jun 2016 #79

Ballistic fingerprints change with gun use-- it'd be like a tire fingerprint. X_Digger Jun 2016 #89

It's amazing that gun-enablers can conceive of nothing to curb gun violence Orrex Jun 2016 #94

So.. ignore science, ignore the reality of MD & NY, and push something that doesn't work.. why? X_Digger Jun 2016 #99

So... No. Orrex Jun 2016 #101

Every new gun sold in MD had to have a casing submitted, for 15 years. 12 for NY. (340,000 in MD) X_Digger Jun 2016 #105

There is a fundamental difference you are ignoring hack89 Jun 2016 #88

But there was the potential... scscholar Jun 2016 #57

In the real world results matter Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #60

Not sure if serious.... TipTok Jun 2016 #90

What a waste Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #29

All legal, all politically impossible hack89 Jun 2016 #2

Is registering our cars a violation of privacy? yardwork Jun 2016 #35

Driving is not a constitutional right hack89 Jun 2016 #39

No individual step would prevent all gun crimes/incidents mythology Jun 2016 #58

There are things we can do hack89 Jun 2016 #61

I'll disagree with a coposter. Igel Jun 2016 #75

Then the same could be true for guns... Blanks Jun 2016 #102

Seems to be the law in many states. safeinOhio Jun 2016 #37

I said they were legal. The 2A does allow strict regulation hack89 Jun 2016 #40

Waiting periods and extra costs, inconvenience ShrimpPoboy Jun 2016 #3

The 24th Amendment will figure in as well: Poll tax. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #14

Will it? Here's the text: Orrex Jun 2016 #49

Transparent means of infringing on a right by cost and subterfuge. Precedent. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #59

And the SCOTUS could easily rule that the 24th applies only to voting Orrex Jun 2016 #74

They could pull a squirrel out of their... TipTok Jun 2016 #91

Hardly as transparent as you want to pretend Orrex Jun 2016 #98

Orrex. Look in the mirror. There is the very meaning of "mantra." Right on cue. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #95

and yet they have been upheld by the court. mopinko Jun 2016 #65

Some have and some havent ShrimpPoboy Jun 2016 #66

oh please. mopinko Jun 2016 #68

I dont support laws intending to completely prevent people from exercising a right ShrimpPoboy Jun 2016 #71

i dont need one mopinko Jun 2016 #76

Set a date in the near future...where all new guns have to be smart guns Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #4

Better make sure they work first Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #34

I'm sure the manufactures safeinOhio Jun 2016 #38

I think that is your plan Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #43

Well, it's been proven to not reduce crime with licensing Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #6

As stated above, half-assed measures obviously won't work. Orrex Jun 2016 #50

There are actually cases pending now on those fees Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #51

If I seek a redress of grievances in the courts, is that free? Orrex Jun 2016 #53

How about if you want to buy a new gun, you have to hand in two old ones to be destroyed? baldguy Jun 2016 #7

Sure, as long as my choices aren't limited. hack89 Jun 2016 #9

Jeez, you want to feed new gun sales? Enforced planned obslescence! Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #16

No, your choices should be limited. baldguy Jun 2016 #19

Then I won't support your way hack89 Jun 2016 #26

What are you goona do? Shoot me? baldguy Jun 2016 #27

No need to shoot anyone- you will simply be overwhelmed at the polls... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #30

Knock yourself out Crepuscular Jun 2016 #31

No. Simply ignore you as in the past hack89 Jun 2016 #33

Sure hope calling more than half of safeinOhio Jun 2016 #42

Voters don't care that much hack89 Jun 2016 #44

Glad to hear that. safeinOhio Jun 2016 #48

Go for it Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #36

We've tried it your way. It's been a spectacular, bloody failure. baldguy Jun 2016 #45

Yes... It has... TipTok Jun 2016 #92

What if I don't have two guns? Are saying only current gun owners should be allowed to buy new ones? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #114

Get some non-asshat justices in SCOTUS, and gun safety laws will be perfectly within the 2nd Amend. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #8

You don't need a license or insurance to own or drive a car on private property hack89 Jun 2016 #12

No. Briefly, elleng Jun 2016 #10

Thanks (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #20

"nothing... should be taken to cast doubt:". I.e., they aren't addressing those issues. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #21

...and this is why we need to win this November... backscatter712 Jun 2016 #69

How about we do the same to OTHER virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #11

See, this is what we're up against. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #18

Until you change the Constitution it is the same Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #22

Some controllers here don't equate the 5th Amendment with other rights. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #25

"We" seem to be up against a group of people Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #64

Controllers always assume... TipTok Jun 2016 #93

We have. Have you not been reading the news lately? Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #70

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #86

Sounds like the only answer that DOES work is the one Australia uses. Ford_Prefect Jun 2016 #15

Nothing suggested will ever be accepted by the gun groupies liberal N proud Jun 2016 #17

I support mandatory firearm safety training TeddyR Jun 2016 #32

Is that before you can own a gun? liberal N proud Jun 2016 #41

It wouldn't work with rifles and shotguns. roamer65 Jun 2016 #23

This has been brought up before - NRA/gun nutz can't be bothered. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #24

Commentary SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #28

Here's some honest questions for supporters of gun rights PJMcK Jun 2016 #46

I'll give it a try: EX500rider Jun 2016 #67

Life in a maximum security prison... Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #52

Really? Look at this forum davidn3600 Jun 2016 #56

Actually the best we could do was declare the NRA a terrorist organization. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #63

Well that was ... creepy... TipTok Jun 2016 #96

The NRA doesn't tell the nuts what to think, the nuts make the NRA extreme Amishman Jun 2016 #106

LOL! Imprisoning people for their beliefs, now there's a progressive value. Marengo Jun 2016 #80

Not their beliefs, their actions. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #81

The NRA owns vultures? TipTok Jun 2016 #97

Grammar, my nemesis. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #103

How about the ones who claim to want to? beevul Jun 2016 #87

Sounds like it would fall into that "well regulated" part of the 2nd Amend NightWatcher Jun 2016 #54

According to the NRA all laws violate the Second Amendment n/t doc03 Jun 2016 #62

I don't think it would violate the 2nd amendment (Illinois does it, at least to some extent) Recursion Jun 2016 #72

Agreed and I don't think JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #84

Congress's power is virtually unlimited. fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #77

Are bullets protected by the 2nd Amendment? RAFisher Jun 2016 #78

Yes. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #82

your reading assignment melm00se Jun 2016 #113

I've always believed that the 2nd Amendment allows the States to regulate the militia Sam_Fields Jun 2016 #83

Article I Section 8 gives that to Congress Recursion Jun 2016 #85

The states were mandated by the Articles of Confederation to keep up militias, jmg257 Jun 2016 #100

No, it wouldn't. What you suggested is no different than getting a voter ID card in some states tonyt53 Jun 2016 #104

Do you suppose that the people who ignore the current gun laws will comply with these requirements? WillowTree Jun 2016 #107

to misquote, "The 2nd Amendment is not a murder-suicide pact" SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #108

Require all legal firearm owners to be resposible owners too. Squaredeal Jun 2016 #109

Must be careful to remain practical. ImLiberalNotLeftist Jun 2016 #110

All bullets should have deaniac21 Jun 2016 #111

Most bullets fragment on impact NickB79 Jun 2016 #112