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44. That may sound like a reasonable idea. ...
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jun 2016

The problem is to first get the law through Congress. The last attempt to pass a new federal assault weapons ban after Sandy Hook couldn't even pass in a Senate controlled by Democrats.

The next problem is how to enforce this ban. Many gun friendly states would simply ignore the law and not require firearms to be turned in or confiscated just like some states ignore the federal laws on marijuana.


Under the federal Controlled Substances Act (CSA) of 1970, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I substance. By definition, Schedule I drugs have a high potential for abuse and dependency, with no recognized medical use or value. Any marijuana possession, cultivation, or use is a federal crime, subjecting a defendant to fines, prison time, or both. Large scale cultivation and trafficking (transporting or selling marijuana, often across state lines) incurs harsher penalties, and tends to be the main focus of federal drug enforcement attention.

In spite of this wholesale federal ban, since the mid-1990s 18 states have enacted laws that allow or protect the medicinal use of marijuana. Most of these states have decriminalized medicinal marijuana use (removed the risk of criminal prosecution and penalties) for patients who follow the law with respect to amounts, registration, and so on. State-level penalties still apply to those who break these state laws.
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/federal-crime/medical-marijuana-federal-laws.htm


While many gun owners would voluntarily turn in their semi automatic firearms a percentage would not. Attempts to confiscate their weapons could lead to violence and armed standoffs with media coverage. If the police were to use force that resulted in bloodshed it would only fire up other "patriots" to defend their Second Amendment rights which would result in even more bloodshed. It might even cause armed terrorist style attacks on our infrastructure. It's not all that difficult to take down major power lines, rip up railroad tracks or blow up the supports for freeway bridges.

It is even conceivable that some states might secede from the union. Sending in armed troops to quell the rebellion would result in even more violence and bloodshed even if successful. A number of states such as Texas already have secessionist movements.

The simple fact is that a high percentage of our citizens no longer trust our federal government enough to turn in their weapons.

Plus you only suggesting banning all semi-automatic long arms with the exception of .22LR. It may be even easier to massacre a large number of people with a couple of easier to conceal semi-automatic pistols. If you successfully managed to ban and confiscate ALL semi-automatic firearms it is still possible to fill a bag with revolvers and when one runs out of bullets to simply grab another one.

In my opinion all too often reality is the biggest enemy of good ideas.


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Apparently the shooter didn't use an AR-15. CJCRANE Jun 2016 #1
All the articles I have read that named a weapon have said AR-15. Thor_MN Jun 2016 #6
Nope Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #7
I looked it up, practically the same thing Amishman Jun 2016 #13
It's not the same thing. It has a different cycling system, which makes it completely different. Calista241 Jun 2016 #21
Not quite 100% different PJMcK Jun 2016 #40
They're both firearms but they're not the same thing Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #22
The AR 15 started out as a Colt brand name. Its now a generic name Gomez163 Jun 2016 #26
Armalite Rifle SpookyDem Jun 2016 #51
Better idea: Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #2
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ madinmaryland Jun 2016 #23
Not going to happen. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #28
No, because the USA has too many fuckwits. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #30
More prosaic is the fact nearly 100,000,000 American possess firearms. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #64
What makes a shotgun better for home defense, in your opinion? linuxman Jun 2016 #38
Than an AR-15? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #41
You don't have to aim a shotgun? linuxman Jun 2016 #42
four inch spread at 12 feet vs...none Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #45
Nice, lackadaisical attitude you have to lethal weapons there. linuxman Jun 2016 #60
You know the spread pattern at a specific range but you're not a fetishist? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #68
That may sound like a reasonable idea. ... spin Jun 2016 #44
You should read more closely Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #46
Yes...that would be TOTALLY enforceable! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #48
Oh, look, another gun fetishist! Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #50
Oh, look, a grade-schooler! Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #53
Sorry, but I don't see much reason to engage you seriously. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #56
Since you're arguing with straw men of your own curious creation, that doesn't exactly sadden me. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #61
Considering that your response was "LOL" you're lucky I didn't tell you to go fuck yourself (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #62
Lucky? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #65
How civil of you Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #67
Try to get a law like that through Congress. Your chances would be less ... spin Jun 2016 #49
You will grant, I presume, that your proposal or one like it hasn't the slightest chance of actually Just reading posts Jun 2016 #57
That depends on how much of a drag on the GOP ticket Trump is, no? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #59
Can we as a party come up with a better idea than the... Ferretherder Jun 2016 #3
Did you think this was funny when you were writing it? How about now? Do you think it's funny now? Squinch Jun 2016 #33
Repeal 2A Jerry442 Jun 2016 #4
... Crepuscular Jun 2016 #31
I dont think very many people will understand what you are trying to say. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #5
Maybe that's where we should go. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #9
I'm down with that, personally (I'd imagine the poster above is not) Recursion Jun 2016 #11
That would address the issue but I don't think it is winnable even with a Dem WH and Congress aikoaiko Jun 2016 #14
so it's ok Crepuscular Jun 2016 #32
You obviously have reading comprehension problems. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #37
Bills regulating firearms should directly address the amount of hot lead that comes out the barrel. backscatter712 Jun 2016 #8
I can fire ten rounds accurately in ten seconds using two six shot revolvers. spin Jun 2016 #47
I'm always amused at the pie in the sky wishes for bans Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #10
OK, but the curve can be bent here. Ban manufacture and import of semi's without fixed magazines Recursion Jun 2016 #12
Once again- how are you enforcing it? Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #18
An import ban? Customs Recursion Jun 2016 #20
On what grounds Crepuscular Jun 2016 #35
One huge problem: 3D printers. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #58
Very true Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #66
Depends what we want whatthehey Jun 2016 #15
Magazine capacity is where it is DVRacer Jun 2016 #16
As you point out, there are already a lot of magazines out there. Hundreds of millions at least. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #17
And they can be 3D printed now Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #54
Yup. That genie's not getting back in the bottle. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #55
Or at least something other than nothing. Iggo Jun 2016 #19
First of all would it be a real ban this time? ileus Jun 2016 #24
FWIW, I think magazines are the place to start Adrahil Jun 2016 #25
Symbollic victories in culture war seem more important. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #27
It's not a symbolic victory Aerows Jun 2016 #34
Seems reasonable to you, but it won't stop mass murder... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #63
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Aerows Jun 2016 #29
... Crepuscular Jun 2016 #36
Meaningless rhetoric Aerows Jun 2016 #39
Had your statement Crepuscular Jun 2016 #43
What, pray tell, is the matter with Average White Band? KamaAina Jun 2016 #52
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