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Crepuscular

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61. I don't disagree
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jun 2016

with much of what you said. While mass shootings are certainly horrific, tragic events, they don't cause me much undue concern, in terms of being worried about personal safety, as they tend to be isolated, random events.

The chronic levels of gun crime that has essentially been deemed to be "acceptable" because it usually happens only in certain neighborhoods or to certain types of people, is a much more serious concern, from my viewpoint. As tragic as the 50 deaths in Orlando were, they are no more tragic then the 282 victims in Chicago that have been murdered so far this year with guns, yet those victims are largely ignored by society.

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Yikes. I take it you are not a gun person. yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #1
Yeah, it has quite the reputation of civilian use mowing down children and unarmed people en-mass. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Brickbat Jun 2016 #25
Must be why rifles kill about 400/year Press Virginia Jun 2016 #26
There you go, let's not forget restricting semi-auto pistols too. Hoyt Jun 2016 #33
I doubt you could identify one Press Virginia Jun 2016 #68
Can still field strip a 1911 blindfolded, but I grew up. Hoyt Jun 2016 #71
Sure you can Press Virginia Jun 2016 #72
He saw it on YouTube Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #77
Probably an R Lee Ermy video Press Virginia Jun 2016 #82
I have hunted all my life Drahthaardogs Jun 2016 #64
The AR10 is better for large game Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #78
That is a .308 Drahthaardogs Jun 2016 #79
My gut says their is no putting the gun genie back in the bottle. Best chance of .. yourout Jun 2016 #2
That is blatantly unconstitutional hack89 Jun 2016 #3
Works for abortion fifthoffive Jun 2016 #84
So you will embrace RW tactics to restrict civil rights hack89 Jun 2016 #87
and look how the melm00se Jun 2016 #88
Won't happen- it was tried with printers' ink and got booted by the Supreme Court: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #4
While I agree it will probably never happen I am not sure this case.... yourout Jun 2016 #7
The Second Amendment is extant, and a blatant attempt to impede rights under it... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #10
That wouldn't stop the mass murder. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #6
Respectfully, do you have a proposal? (n/t) PJMcK Jun 2016 #59
Yeah, the thread I started... NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #60
Zero chance of that passing Constitutional muster. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #8
Thomas Jefferson... jmg257 Jun 2016 #13
Do you have any idea how easy it is to load your own ammo? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #43
sshhh ! don't le them know... Angel Martin Jun 2016 #73
Something like the laws on safeinOhio Jun 2016 #5
This was exactly what I was thinking of when I decided to write this. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #9
It's pretty interesting that an AMENDMENT to the constitution, which changes the original document jmg257 Jun 2016 #12
Like any other product on the market - grandfathering. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #14
Pay for them? ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #16
Taking previously legal property requires just compensation by law. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #18
We dont pay fair market for cocaine. ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #21
The cocaine wasn't legal to own when acquired as it is a perishable good. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #23
Cocaine isn't a constitutional right. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #45
It's simpler than that though. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #54
I thought a tax deduction could work as a way of buy-back. nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #19
unless you are willing to compensate way over pre-ban market value, few will be turned in Amishman Jun 2016 #86
What if you need two shots to protect your life? ileus Jun 2016 #36
Unfortunate but unlikely. That argument leads to "what if I need 50 shots to save my life?" ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #76
If you can get in there something that will bring about an attrition jmg257 Jun 2016 #17
I don't see it as an infringement on the right to own. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #15
Then mass killers will use handguns like at VT. Nt hack89 Jun 2016 #20
That killer had a lot of 15 round mags. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #22
Perhaps hack89 Jun 2016 #24
No. But they will tend to get collected by people who are far less likely to do a mass shooting. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #27
Not sure I agree with that hack89 Jun 2016 #29
It wouldn't prevent all, but it would make it harder. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #31
So require fixed internal magazines for handguns Recursion Jun 2016 #46
Hard to imagine a "solution " more detached from reality. hack89 Jun 2016 #50
Why? 30% of adults don't automatically get to make the decision here Recursion Jun 2016 #53
If 100% of the population voted you might have a point. hack89 Jun 2016 #56
So Crepuscular Jun 2016 #28
Banning future sale of detachable mag semi-auto rifles. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #30
So under your proposal Crepuscular Jun 2016 #32
Yes. Pump action is still slower than semi-auto. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #34
Not much Crepuscular Jun 2016 #37
If you say pump action is just as effective, why allow semi-auto at all? NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #41
Why bother to argue? Replace "Semi-auto" with "repeating arm" with fixed mags and be done. nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #47
Because Crepuscular Jun 2016 #49
I think it would slow it down. Remember all magazines for new rifles would be limited to 10 rounds NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #51
Why Crepuscular Jun 2016 #55
People would collect and hoard them, reducing pre-ban 11+ round mags out in the market. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #58
That is different Crepuscular Jun 2016 #65
Yeah, if that wasn't clear that was my mistake. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #66
If that's the case, Crepuscular Jun 2016 #67
Make newer rifles harder to kill with, even if you find pre-ban mags. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #69
I believe the Tech Shooter also changed clips. ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #75
That was the outlier I mentioned. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #90
... Crepuscular Jun 2016 #83
I personally think the action argument is a red herring: the problem is the detachable magazine Recursion Jun 2016 #44
While Crepuscular Jun 2016 #52
99% of murderers never need to go past the first bullet; the entire argument is window-dressing Recursion Jun 2016 #57
I don't disagree Crepuscular Jun 2016 #61
Remember the Navy Yard shooting? Recursion Jun 2016 #62
I don't believe this is possible. A gun owner can correct me. Oneironaut Jun 2016 #35
Manufacturers are already making some for the NY and Conn. markets. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #39
This one is a pretty feasible redesign Recursion Jun 2016 #42
The rise of 3D printing makes any such ban completely pointless. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #63
the world supply of AR/Ak rifles is so large that Angel Martin Jun 2016 #74
People do not convert semi-automatic to full auto all the time Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #80
People do not convert from semi-auto to auto "all the time" metalbot Jun 2016 #91
Oh no the NRA won't permit that, Muricans need a 30 round detachable magazine in case doc03 Jun 2016 #38
CA has something similar to this already (it's a bit weaker than you're suggesting) Recursion Jun 2016 #40
Yeah. I'm trying to avoid the "bullet Button". NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #48
Freaks that get a hard on blasting trees, bunnies, deer, and sometimes people would have a cow. nt JanMichael Jun 2016 #70
You assume Congress will regulate guns. They won't. Period. No regulation. Kablooie Jun 2016 #81
It would take a long time to implement Dem2 Jun 2016 #85
Even a round limit for detachable mags didn't fly after Sandy Hook. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #89
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