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Mandos the Judge

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15. Possible, but...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

Possible, but still a reach, since apparently he regularly visited the club in secret, which would be difficult to reconcile with the notion that he needed to do recon in the first place. From what I've read in the news, her involvement is the following:

1. Mateen expressed a general intent to commit a jihadist attack on US soil. She apparently tried to dissuade him from doing so.
2. Mateen once asked her to drive him to then Pulse ‘so he could scope it out’. Unknown if he told specifically her he wanted to scope it out for an attack or if he said something in the line of “Hey, can you drive me to the Pulse? I want to check it out.” Unknown when exactly this occurred and difficult to reconcile with several witness reports claiming Mateen was a regular visitor of the Pulse.
3. She may have accompanied Mateen when he legally purchased arms and ammo a few days for the attack. Unknown if she knew at the time he purchased these for the impending attack. Of course, even if she knew he intended to use these for an attack it’s hard to see how her mere presence during the purchase could be constructed as involvement in a conspiracy or aiding and abetting in the legal sense.
4. When Mateen left she suspected he intended to carry out an attack and tried to dissuade him. Mateen just told her he was going out with friends.

Keep in mind that knowing or having a suspicion that someone is going to commit a crime and not reporting it, isn’t a crime of itself. A conviction for misprision is unlikely, unless evidence appears that she actively concealed knowledge of the pending crime, which doesn’t seem to be the case so far. I suspect the media circus and severity of the crime may well result in charges being filed and possibly even a conviction (people will want their pound of flesh and with Mateen dead Salman is the next best thing), but from a legal point of view it’s a rickety case at best, which is probably one the reasons authorities have been slow to press charges against her so far.

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She'll get time. joshcryer Jun 2016 #1
Which is why I'm calling for a law to make it a life sentence if you withhold knowledge like she had DanM Jun 2016 #3
That'll be for the trial jury to decide. joshcryer Jun 2016 #5
And if the FBI interviews him - marybourg Jun 2016 #25
She'll get time? FBI can't find her yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #51
A question for the lawyers around here ? CincyDem Jun 2016 #2
I got my law degree from Law & Order PJMcK Jun 2016 #4
Law & Order? CincyDem Jun 2016 #17
But I got my secret agent decoder ring/bubble gum dispenser... PJMcK Jun 2016 #18
Damn bubba - now that's an undergraduate degree ya can be proud of ! n/t CincyDem Jun 2016 #19
I can top that - I'm Google University Law School Class of 2016. closeupready Jun 2016 #29
Oops. She disappeared. No joke. yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #53
The evidence (AS WE KNOW) suggest she knew beforehand. joshcryer Jun 2016 #6
I agree. Life in prison. Let her rot. (nt) bigwillq Jun 2016 #7
Laws provide for prosecution and penalty -after the fact- HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #8
I know there were reasons, but I bet those FBI agents who Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #9
I have thought the same thing. methinks2 Jun 2016 #16
That's a good point. On the practical side....I have thought, OK Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #42
You make a good point and a bad one PJMcK Jun 2016 #40
You are right ! This is proven by the fact that they knowingly created Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #44
Doubtful she'll be prosecuted Mandos the Judge Jun 2016 #10
How about driving him to Pulse exboyfil Jun 2016 #12
Possible, but... Mandos the Judge Jun 2016 #15
forgot these from law school: treestar Jun 2016 #56
This was a federal crime but analogous exboyfil Jun 2016 #11
Accessory. Definitely. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #13
What would be the charges? treestar Jun 2016 #14
If you drive someone to a location so they can scope it out for a crime they intend to commit... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #24
There's a downside to prosecuting jberryhill Jun 2016 #30
Prosecutors could offer immunity in such a case of course, if they think the person has valuable PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #32
There are a lot of "facts" coming second-hand and whisper-down-the-lane jberryhill Jun 2016 #36
I agree; didn't the McDonald's shooter tell his wife treestar Jun 2016 #52
I'd ask a prosecutor treestar Jun 2016 #50
Back in 1984, James Huberty told his wife he was going hunt humans... tenderfoot Jun 2016 #20
However Dylann Roof, Igel Jun 2016 #22
True that Mandos the Judge Jun 2016 #23
Sounds like obstruction as well exboyfil Jun 2016 #28
So there was a charge in SC treestar Jun 2016 #55
but did she realize what he was actually going to do? treestar Jun 2016 #54
Doesn't he have a history of domestic abuse as well? TipTok Jun 2016 #21
Yes, at least with the first wife. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #59
There should be several life sentences for that. Her silence condemned families of those innocent BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #26
Maybe she didn't believe he would really do it LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #48
I'm not going to guess what she may or may not have believed. Fact remains, she should have BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #49
Seems there is 2naSalit Jun 2016 #27
Two problems with that 'logic'. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #31
You're right - spousal privilege is another issue treestar Jun 2016 #58
What about the child? librarylu Jun 2016 #33
What about him? Having a small child doesn't shield one from criminal charges. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #35
What happens to him librarylu Jun 2016 #38
The same thing that happens to the child of any criminal who is convicted. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #41
Would he go to the grandparents librarylu Jun 2016 #43
I don't know. That would be up to the courts. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #45
You have to be careful with MFM008 Jun 2016 #60
She might be charged as an accessory Warpy Jun 2016 #34
Hey, this torch is a rental! How long you want I should wait? jberryhill Jun 2016 #37
Yes librarylu Jun 2016 #46
They would have just said she was...take your pick: libdem4life Jun 2016 #39
It can be frustrating when we don't have enough people to blame to our satisfaction. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #47
Really? You think she'd have been fully aware of such a law SheilaT Jun 2016 #57
Yeah melman Jun 2016 #61
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