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ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
167. Sandy Hook would have been much worse with an AK-47 clone.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jun 2016

The larger ammo size would have made multiple kills per single shot much higher due to the small size of the children.

Do not think about arguing [View all] uppityperson Jun 2016 OP
a kick uppityperson Jun 2016 #1
K&R demmiblue Jun 2016 #2
Perhaps some context would help SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #3
there is a time and place for every argument. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #11
If it's time to discuss legislation, it's time to discuss technical accuracy... Marengo Jun 2016 #15
That has happened JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #53
Yep, my point exactly. The absolute ignorance of those pieces of legislation... Marengo Jun 2016 #126
Well I'm a woman JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #147
Not really. People can express the size and the shape of the thing they want without technical DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #125
Sure, anyone can bring anything to the table. But, if demands are based on ignorance, it's.. Marengo Jun 2016 #128
spot on Locrian Jun 2016 #149
Are you suggesting that DU will write legislation? Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #176
Rubbish. Go ahead and apply the stifling argument in a discussion concerning... Marengo Jun 2016 #179
Thank you. uppityperson Jun 2016 #16
Agreed. So why are so many arguing for gun bans? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #18
Respectfully SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #20
SuperDutyTX, I understand what you are trying to say and I concur. Stonepounder Jun 2016 #68
"assault weapon" is used becasue it is a gray area, and has no meaning in law. As far as I know... Matt_R Jun 2016 #89
I think it's a moot point, as I don't expect to see any meaningful regulation Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #92
In my opinion lancer78 Jun 2016 #114
I don't think anyone is saying that. Stonepounder Jun 2016 #117
I read a lot here, but lancer78 Jun 2016 #119
I think it would be nice if you let us have our funerals Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #118
Were you addressing me? nt passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #135
No, sorry. It is just so jarring when things are still really raw here. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #136
I understand. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #137
Let's ban civilian sales of assault weapons. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #14
Vent away, but you just stepped into the trap. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #30
Assault weapons. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #32
Of all the variations on the definition of "assault weapon" ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #34
Assault weapon. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #37
Wow. They really got that one wrong. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #39
How bad of a damn shot do you have to be Aerows Jun 2016 #58
I completely take your point, but the "but" here is important: Recursion Jun 2016 #74
What makes you believe that magazine capacity is related to shooter accuracy? ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #75
? blue neen Jun 2016 #95
Paper targets, steel targets, etc. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #101
Paper targets don't have hearts and lungs and brains. blue neen Jun 2016 #108
Glad we understand paper targets. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #116
Precisely the point I was making to the person above you Aerows Jun 2016 #112
Training, hunting.... ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #120
"I don't hunt anymore" Aerows Jun 2016 #134
You seem to be suggesting that some guns were "designed for hunting". ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #140
It looks like Aerows Jun 2016 #141
While you could use that tool, it would not be the ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #143
And we've arrived at our destination. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #144
Thanks, if not for you, an anonymous poster on a internet forum, I would have totally A Simple Game Jun 2016 #154
No, that is neither how it is supposed to work nor actually does work. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #157
"the idiots who created the artificial definition of "assault weapon". Damn Gun Digest - those jmg257 Jun 2016 #160
Yes, that particular list does contain some ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #161
Do us all a favor and give us your definition of an assault weapon. A Simple Game Jun 2016 #173
I have no definition of "assault weapon". ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #177
You do realize that there were assault weapons even before gunpowder was invented don't you? A Simple Game Jun 2016 #180
Obviously you are not using the phrase the way everyone else is. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #181
So according to you a weapon is a weapon is a weapon and that's all there is to it? A Simple Game Jun 2016 #182
Thank you for confirming your non-standard use of the phrase. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #183
OK I'll lower myself to play your semantics game. A Simple Game Jun 2016 #185
I cannot take credit for any semantics game. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #186
If you can't grasp the concept of categories of weapons then there is no sense in continuing A Simple Game Jun 2016 #187
Sorry that the conversation is not going your way. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #188
In my case talking with someone that doesn't admit a assault rifle A Simple Game Jun 2016 #189
Thank you for at least admitting your ignorance. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #191
OK just one more time because it seems you are trying. A Simple Game Jun 2016 #193
Thanks for taking the next step. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #194
Maybe you guys should start with the "legal" definitons..may vary depending what jurisdiction, jmg257 Jun 2016 #190
No argument there regarding NY. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #192
But, we tried that already and it didn't work. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #70
Hm. I feel the opposite: handguns are the real problem in the US Recursion Jun 2016 #73
Yet, you are including suicides in the figure that you're using for all gun deaths. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #87
Even in mass murders, handguns have a slight majority Recursion Jun 2016 #88
The gun manufacturers did away with some of the offending characteristics . . . Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #99
And your last sentence is the most important thing on the thread, I think Recursion Jun 2016 #100
The AMA has finally taken a stand to restrict gun ownership. Jim Beard Jun 2016 #107
We didn't fail to go to the moon Aerows Jun 2016 #113
And there we go lancer78 Jun 2016 #115
Let's do OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #152
TX bigot language suks, imo saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #28
If gun trolls and the NRA would get out of the way, there is no doubt in my mind that Squinch Jun 2016 #42
+1 Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2016 #52
Thanks! SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #56
You have completely missed the point. The point was that you have an opinion about these topics Squinch Jun 2016 #59
Thanks! SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #62
No, actually it really wouldn't be like that at all. It would be like saying, "we don't want these Squinch Jun 2016 #63
Sounds like we're at an impasse. SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #64
Some of us lancer78 Jun 2016 #129
You always seem to emerge from somewhere when these massacres happen, just to tell Squinch Jun 2016 #164
Your civility is admirable PJMcK Jun 2016 #54
NRA REPORTING FOR DUTY Skittles Jun 2016 #77
Exactly. Squinch Jun 2016 #105
I see where you're going with this. Bucky Jun 2016 #122
Any weapon that can do THAT needs to go away stopwastingmymoney Jun 2016 #142
Then get a Democrat to propose a bill that makes them go away Recursion Jun 2016 #146
agree treestar Jun 2016 #4
Understood. But what about forums where legislation is being discussed (A LOT)? jmg257 Jun 2016 #5
As I said in the OP Yes, those terms matter for legislation, but not on forums, not on Facebook, not uppityperson Jun 2016 #6
OK but they matter if people's ignorance of the subject means they're going in literally Recursion Jun 2016 #71
Pls forgive my ignorance-- lastlib Jun 2016 #82
Accepting detachable magazines Recursion Jun 2016 #84
Why perpetuate ignorance? TipTok Jun 2016 #139
+1, any device DESIGNED to kill a lot of humans efficiently shouldn't be in the hands of avg citizen uponit7771 Jun 2016 #7
That's a principle I can be on board with. BUT Recursion Jun 2016 #72
+1000. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #8
God, YES! I have moaned about the semantics war being used by Photographer Jun 2016 #9
K&R! Duval Jun 2016 #10
Your argument is more effective if you use actual facts, accepted terms and language to support it. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #12
You're exactly what the post is talking about. You missed the point, entirely. Ignore. lindysalsagal Jun 2016 #38
He didn't miss the point. Chellee Jun 2016 #61
For the record, I also loathe that sort of pedantic deflection. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #13
Precisely, it is all Bettie Jun 2016 #67
OK, but this detail really, really, really matters to the OP's cause Recursion Jun 2016 #78
They do that to discredit the messenger ErikJ Jun 2016 #17
"to make him look like he doesnt know what he's talking about" AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #21
Only to a gun-nut techy geek. ErikJ Jun 2016 #23
Let me let you in on a secret AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #26
It does SuperDutyTX Jun 2016 #27
I said situations like these. ErikJ Jun 2016 #31
The AR platform in the right configuration, such as the AR-10, is an excellent hunting rifle... Marengo Jun 2016 #41
Greatly reduced Aussy suicide and mass shootings. ErikJ Jun 2016 #47
I've heard that as well, but in researching found several studies which suggest... Marengo Jun 2016 #123
Your last point is crucial: Australia targeted all semi-automatics Recursion Jun 2016 #80
The OP is talking about the kinds of firearms that can be used to kill hundreds in minutes. Squinch Jun 2016 #65
No, the OP *thinks* he or she is talking about that Recursion Jun 2016 #79
You can read my mind?!?!!!! uppityperson Jun 2016 #81
I can read your posts Recursion Jun 2016 #86
I support not being able to kill 49 people in a short period of time. I don't use uppityperson Jun 2016 #90
OK, so step 1 is coming to terms with the fact that we need a new law to do that Recursion Jun 2016 #94
I am in agreement with you. Doing the wrong thing doesn't help. uppityperson Jun 2016 #97
That's because the NRA and gun lobbies were allowed to write the legislation. Squinch Jun 2016 #93
I posted this on truth-out.org and it was REMOVED ... Jopin Klobe Jun 2016 #19
What makes you think people who are disgusted with guns being used in mass shootings passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #24
"recreate the feeling of automatic firing" but not the accuracy. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #29
This is not the right thread for that video. Would you please consider posting it elsewhere? uppityperson Jun 2016 #36
K and r. cwydro Jun 2016 #22
I just heard this Jackson Browne song for the first time today bonemachine Jun 2016 #25
This technical diversion shit means nothing when some maniac The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #33
Exactly, thank you uppityperson Jun 2016 #57
Rec & Kick. Well stated. MerryBlooms Jun 2016 #35
Anyone who uses any of the following arguments is a troll and should be ignored completely. Squinch Jun 2016 #40
As if you have the authority to set any rules on this discussion... Marengo Jun 2016 #43
Simply expressing my opinion. I am sorry if that offends you. uppityperson Jun 2016 #50
Why are NRA / 2A so entrenched ? karadax Jun 2016 #44
Yes, those terms matter for legislation uppityperson Jun 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Sissyk Jun 2016 #45
Best wishes to your niece, hoping she regains her equilibrium. uppityperson Jun 2016 #51
But what about the zombies? ErikJ Jun 2016 #48
A right wing friend failed an attempt to bait me. edgineered Jun 2016 #49
The distinction between a semi-automatic weapon and fully automatic AR 15 means very little to the still_one Jun 2016 #55
People who espouse opinions on guns with no clue how they work sound as clueless and out of touch Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #60
You won't take my opinion seriously that too many were killed too fast by a murderous jerk and his uppityperson Jun 2016 #66
I believe it was both. And I believe that this one and the one who said, "You Squinch Jun 2016 #69
It is all about how you express your opinion. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #85
Let's make this simple. I don't like people having access to guns that can kill that many people uppityperson Jun 2016 #91
We care about actually addressing the problem rather than appearing to Recursion Jun 2016 #96
An excellent example of a non-technical statement. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #98
Therefore....what? Confiscate all repeating firearms? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #145
One could carry the logic that far. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #158
Good point. While I disagree with imposing more gun control, I can at least see a rationale behind Just reading posts Jun 2016 #159
Lol, 50 dead and you whine about this? Logical Jun 2016 #132
they are cowards Skittles Jun 2016 #76
It usually matters. Words have meanings even on DU. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #83
A 5 or 6 shot revolver could NEVER kill that many people. A double barrel shotgun the same. JanMichael Jun 2016 #102
A person with a essme Jun 2016 #103
Bullshit. Less accuracy and less kill velocity. That has never happened. JanMichael Jun 2016 #109
I really, really want one of these essme Jun 2016 #111
The Va tech shooter used pistols and killed nearly as many people jack_krass Jun 2016 #150
Ah but how different was the total number of casualties? JanMichael Jun 2016 #166
Sandy Hook would have been much worse with an AK-47 clone. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #167
Then ban them first? nt JanMichael Jun 2016 #168
Why first? ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #169
You just said that the AK-47 knockoffs would kill more than the 20 or so little kids. JanMichael Jun 2016 #171
No, that is not what I said. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #172
See Virginia tech Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #153
Not a revolver though, huh? JanMichael Jun 2016 #170
. Squinch Jun 2016 #110
Exactly. Time we start treating gunners like dung, rather than coddling them and their sick junk. Hoyt Jun 2016 #104
You, Sir... 63splitwindow Jun 2016 #106
K&R Dem2 Jun 2016 #121
Oh yes, this^^^^^ Arazi Jun 2016 #124
It's like a goddamn Tom Clancy novel for the gunner trash alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #127
it is easy to see why they support Trump Skittles Jun 2016 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author Lint Head Jun 2016 #130
huh, thanks for the kick but maybe to the wrong thread? uppityperson Jun 2016 #131
Thanks. Fumbled fingered tonight. Lint Head Jun 2016 #133
Too late... TipTok Jun 2016 #138
And the question remains - how many more before we do something? liberal N proud Jun 2016 #151
k and r niyad Jun 2016 #155
distractive bullshit heaven05 Jun 2016 #156
It's like claiming the argument against a nuke murdering millions is invalid.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #162
"but you look foolish and how can you ask for something without being accurate" uppityperson Jun 2016 #163
Another way of putting it.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #165
Strongest recommendation suffragette Jun 2016 #174
You are welcome. I still feel that way, 2 date later. I'm getting angry now,past shocked pain, but uppityperson Jun 2016 #175
There's a reason some on here refer to it as a 'trap' suffragette Jun 2016 #178
You will get no argument from me! Initech Jun 2016 #184
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