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Brickbat

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12. Our laws rely on precision of language. And you're right: When precision becomes overly specific,

Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:47 PM

Jun 2016

that's also a bad law. "Ban the AK-15" is overly specific; the AWB was vague. Educate yourself on what it is you really want to control; educate yourself on how many guns that would actually apply to; educate yourself on whether you want a ban on further sales or a confiscation, and then figure out how many people that would affect and what kind of effort and resources it would require to put into place.

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Your guide to semi-automatic rifles [View all] Matrosov Jun 2016 OP

The magazine loophole was a problem with the old AWB Kaleva Jun 2016 #1

Are these magazines "in common use for lawful purposes"? pipoman Jun 2016 #71

the gun crowd has spent over a decade stocking up, we are flooded with high capacity clips Amishman Jun 2016 #94

I value my 30-round magazines at $3,000 each appal_jack Jun 2016 #169

Every friggin one of those, and semi-auto pistols, should be banned no matter how gunners squeal. Hoyt Jun 2016 #2

This mwrguy Jun 2016 #16

So then we need to stop being distracted by the useless AWB concept. Recursion Jun 2016 #29

+1000. nt ecstatic Jun 2016 #69

Thank you. Concise information such as this will help elevate the debate . . . Journeyman Jun 2016 #3

Ahh... Sweet innocence... TipTok Jun 2016 #73

I'd drop the names altogether in this discussion ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #4

Magazine capacity is perhaps the most important factor Matrosov Jun 2016 #23

I disagree with the path you take. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #31

Not impossible but unlikely Matrosov Jun 2016 #53

"you just have to regularly prove you know how to use them safely" pipoman Jun 2016 #77

You can 3D print magazines now Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #164

But a ban could mandate things he may be charged with if he does, correct? jmg257 Jun 2016 #168

All Perfect For Hunting Humans. nt onehandle Jun 2016 #5

Yep. Hoyt Jun 2016 #19

That describes all rifles. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #57

Yep. Bagging the limit in under 5 minutes. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #68

Pretty sure that's illegal... TipTok Jun 2016 #74

I have several hundred MIRVs ready to launch from my backyard. onehandle Jun 2016 #76

Bulk purchase? TipTok Jun 2016 #82

Good info, thanks Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #6

Good info. Thanks. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2016 #7

"I feel that progressives will have more power to face the NRA and its supporters if those Brickbat Jun 2016 #8

Republicans have blocked pro-environment legislation for years while knowing nothing about it Orrex Jun 2016 #11

Our laws rely on precision of language. And you're right: When precision becomes overly specific, Brickbat Jun 2016 #12

But there's precision and then there's precision: Orrex Jun 2016 #17

So do you join me in opposing renewing the Assault Weapons Ban Recursion Jun 2016 #28

If it prevents even one death, then I'd say that it's worth having Orrex Jun 2016 #30

It doesn't. Every single gun up there would remain legal. Some would need a slightly different grip Recursion Jun 2016 #32

They don't want to know.. sendero Jun 2016 #66

You describe my path over the past 20 years. Brickbat Jun 2016 #79

I sure the good folks at Pulse TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #9

Because gun porn waits for no tragedy Orrex Jun 2016 #10

Knowledge is crap? Matrosov Jun 2016 #13

Orrex nails it in #17. We don't need to know the details. hunter Jun 2016 #24

OK, so you join me in opposing the Assault Weapons Ban since it keeps these guns legal? Recursion Jun 2016 #26

I think this gun love is a public health problem like cigarettes. hunter Jun 2016 #36

One problem with that argument however bighart Jun 2016 #78

The second amendment is an ugly constitutional anachronism, just like slavery was. hunter Jun 2016 #81

What in your opinion is the best path forward? bighart Jun 2016 #84

Go after guns like we went after cigarettes. hunter Jun 2016 #89

I appreciate your response and your passion. bighart Jun 2016 #92

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LOL, here's a good example: FSogol Jun 2016 #115

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Ronald Reagan was surrounded by well trained, well armed men. hunter Jun 2016 #118

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The gun love sifter rejects the stories where things turn out worse for the "defender." hunter Jun 2016 #121

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I've been in rough situations, more than the average gun owner, sometimes against armed people. hunter Jun 2016 #129

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Yup, piss on guns Matrosov Jun 2016 #33

Same way my mom got rid of my crazy grandma's guns. hunter Jun 2016 #43

You obviously haven't heard me argue with climate change deniers. hunter Jun 2016 #46

FYI...You're flogging an ally Marengo Jun 2016 #80

No, I'm not. hunter Jun 2016 #90

He can speak for himself, but as I remember he would like a complete ban on the civilian... Marengo Jun 2016 #91

Because gun control folks TeddyR Jun 2016 #50

Gun-nut excuse making minimization garbage Dem2 Jun 2016 #14

A good example of why gun control legislation keeps failing. Matrosov Jun 2016 #15

Sigh. Exactly *one* thing determines volume of fire: detachable magazines Recursion Jun 2016 #18

The AWB isn't a good example of a solution - never said it was Dem2 Jun 2016 #20

What's embarrassing? That seemed pretty accurate to me. Recursion Jun 2016 #22

Exactly Matrosov Jun 2016 #24

I didn't say there was a FUNCTIONAL difference. Dem2 Jun 2016 #39

Which means we need to give up on the whole "military style" nonsense completely Recursion Jun 2016 #41

It's a catchy phrase, it makes sense based on the design parameters and Dem2 Jun 2016 #47

Nice, concise summary sarisataka Jun 2016 #21

Penis pictures. hunter Jun 2016 #27

Those are what you think penises look like? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #37

. sarisataka Jun 2016 #40

Gun love is a shameful thing. hunter Jun 2016 #44

...and all of them kinda make me wanna puke. cyberswede Jun 2016 #34

This is the only guide I need: RandySF Jun 2016 #35

But then let's argue against semi-automatics in general Matrosov Jun 2016 #38

The defining Crepuscular Jun 2016 #70

I'll admit Matrosov Jun 2016 #104

couple Crepuscular Jun 2016 #126

yep, helped along by the Australian ban Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #151

So then we need to stop futzing about with what the kind of gun that can do that *looks like* Recursion Jun 2016 #42

Precisely. There are too many people in this country that know that we're behaving pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #99

Good post. Sadly lost on most. n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #45

It's gun porn. hunter Jun 2016 #48

Do we judge the effectiveness of birth control by its looks? Matrosov Jun 2016 #49

Who the fuck cares? hunter Jun 2016 #54

You should care Matrosov Jun 2016 #59

SHAME on you for bringing light rather that heat into this discussion!!! pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #62

Same thing as when you try to start an intelligent discussion 1939 Jun 2016 #88

Yeah......... pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #98

People "sitting on the fence" are ignorant. hunter Jun 2016 #85

Bad analogy. Nuts are lured to guns by their looks. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #60

So what is your solution? TeddyR Jun 2016 #51

The problem is gun grabbers will run about spouting incorrect BS and look like idiots The Straight Story Jun 2016 #52

Yeah, I'm a gun grabber. hunter Jun 2016 #56

You are just proud of your ignorance hack89 Jun 2016 #65

Tha is a chief requirement to be a journalist. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #100

And there's so little excuse now with the greatest research tool in the history of the world... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #103

Noble ignorance is no position to argue *for*. X_Digger Jun 2016 #133

You assume I'm ignorant. hunter Jun 2016 #137

I assume that anyone who says 'Piss on it" to knowledge is ignorant, or intends to keep others so. X_Digger Jun 2016 #138

I said "Piss on guns" hunter Jun 2016 #140

I put quotes around it because you said it. "We don't need to know the detail" *shrug* n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #144

And yet the AWB you mock would have stopped the sale of the assault rifle the Pulse shooter used. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #55

He bought what was at the store. pipoman Jun 2016 #83

A folding stock AR should not have been at the store. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #97

You misunderstand federal gun regulations hack89 Jun 2016 #101

Oh hack, how you do love to mansplain. I understand the regs just fine. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #107

SIG sells a 27 inch fixed stocked rifle as do many other manufacturers hack89 Jun 2016 #113

All that shit should be illegal. NT SunSeeker Jun 2016 #124

It is perfectly acceptable in polite company to admit you were wrong, you know. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #128

1. I am not in polite company. 2. I am not wrong. nt SunSeeker Jun 2016 #134

So all there are no short fixed stocked rifles? hack89 Jun 2016 #136

You should try reading my posts, instead of rushing to attack me. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #141

Pretty sad when I have to show you your original post hack89 Jun 2016 #142

that was hilarious Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #152

Pretty sad when you refuse to read. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #155

Yes and it was correctly pointed out Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #158

How about this rifle? Should it be outlawed also? oneshooter Jun 2016 #131

It's still a semi-automatic n/t Matrosov Jun 2016 #139

But uses an internal magazine loaded with a 8 shot clip. It dates from 1936. oneshooter Jun 2016 #143

Really? You don't really believe that complete silliness do you? pipoman Jun 2016 #122

Read the timeline for the Pulse attack. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #125

Fantasy and folly. pipoman Jun 2016 #127

That link is not helpful... jmg257 Jun 2016 #132

The Bushmaster M17 was a popular, very short gun sold legally during the 1994 AWB NickB79 Jun 2016 #106

It should not have been legal. And you could have made your point without the gun porn. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #109

I posted it to show how short it was. A picture is worth a thousand words, as they say NickB79 Jun 2016 #110

Like I said, that picture does not confirm that AR's length. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #112

This better for you? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #154

... SunSeeker Jun 2016 #156

Knew you could not resist the childish penis jokes Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #157

No, but apparently it's the best you have. nt SunSeeker Jun 2016 #159

What civil discussion? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #161

Gun porn is actually important Matrosov Jun 2016 #174

Gun porn is indeed important to selling guns. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #175

Bulllpup, those are very interesting versions Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #153

And yet most of those "mass shootings" were done with pistols. n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #130

Then it only makes sense to ban all semi-autos like Australia did. ErikJ Jun 2016 #58

So maybe stop accusing those of us who point that out of "gun porn"? Recursion Jun 2016 #61

Come again? Straw Man Jun 2016 #63

They did experience a drastic reduction in suicides after their guns bans though... Lancero Jun 2016 #64

+1000 LOLOL, so do I!!!!! AntiBank Jun 2016 #170

It didn't "greatly reduce suicides"....it may have reduced suicides by the banned guns... pipoman Jun 2016 #86

That can happen immediately after the constitutional convention pipoman Jun 2016 #87

I have an SKS that was given to me 10 years ago...never shot it. ileus Jun 2016 #67

Great thread Matrosov. GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #72

Valiant effort but there is an active and conscious resistance to education about firearms.. TipTok Jun 2016 #75

Let the controllers fuck it up once again hack89 Jun 2016 #93

Thank you for this. bighart Jun 2016 #95

More apologists for so-called "assault rifles." "They are fun to shoot . . . . . .and intimidate." Hoyt Jun 2016 #96

I appreciate the thread. Educating folks on guns is a tough, tough chore on DU. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #102

So is my 12-gauge shotgun with a pistol grip... NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #105

Is it semi-auto? It would be if this bill became law: jmg257 Jun 2016 #111

I have a pistol grip and the capacity to load more than 5 rounds. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #116

Well -since that brilliant ban also has a grandfather clause - hold onto it - it'll be $$$. jmg257 Jun 2016 #117

So this 1930 Browning A-5 is an assualt weapon? oneshooter Jun 2016 #145

Not seeing why it would be. Great shotgun. Just don't add a mag extension (vs the bill linked above) jmg257 Jun 2016 #146

It has a pistol grip and will hold 6 rounds total with no plug. n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #147

Thats not a pistol grip. Think Benelli M4. Mag is only 5... jmg257 Jun 2016 #148

I suspect my VEPR 12 is on the "naughty" list. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #150

I just googled it. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #166

Well, at least I'll have good company. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #167

Great post. One problem: how do we get back the billions of high-capacity magazines? NickB79 Jun 2016 #108

We don't. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #149

You pass a law which outlaws them. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #165

Bumping in service to the truth. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #160

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #162

Thank you for the informative post. Information is always good. jack_krass Jun 2016 #163

Your guide to region-bashing: Paladin Jun 2016 #171

Why is that? Matrosov Jun 2016 #172

To expand on that Matrosov Jun 2016 #173