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jberryhill

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35. Do you believe the government should have the power to have people fired by putting them on a list?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jun 2016

The FBI doesn't notify anyone that someone is on the terror watch list.

The last time we had the government in the business of putting people on lists through unstated criteria, and leaning on their employers to fire them, it didn't work out well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment and/or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned, laws that were later declared unconstitutional, dismissals for reasons later declared illegal or actionable, or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.

A prime target: homosexuals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_scare

Both homosexuals and communist party members were seen as subversive elements in American society who all shared the same ideals of antitheism, rejection of bourgeois culture and middle-class morality, lack of conformity; they were scheming and manipulative and, most importantly, would put their own agendas above others in the eyes of the general population.[21] McCarthy also associated homosexuality and communism as "threats to the 'American way of life'."[22] Homosexuality was directly linked to security concerns, and more government employees were dismissed because of their homosexual sexual orientation than because they were left-leaning or communist. George Chauncey noted that, "The specter of the invisible homosexual, like that of the invisible communist, haunted Cold War America," and homosexuality (and by implication homosexuals themselves) were constantly referred to not only as a disease, but also as an invasion, like the perceived danger of communism and subversives.



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The FBI? I'm not so sure. His family sure as hell did though. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
I agree-When the FBI guy first spoke redstateblues Jun 2016 #2
The suicide bomber was mentioned librarylu Jun 2016 #8
Pehaps if you've performed umrah you should be on a watch list. Igel Jun 2016 #15
It does librarylu Jun 2016 #20
And then watchers to watch the watchers of the watchers - 200% employment. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #31
That's horrible - pilgrimage in no way correlates to wanting to kill people. Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #30
"aren't we supposed to be friends of Saudi Arabia?" Those 'secret' 28 pages of the 911 Commission 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #23
The 911 reports are coming out now librarylu Jun 2016 #27
There's other evidence- Omar was also an online follower of Anwar al-Awlaki leveymg Jun 2016 #28
"Stopped" by whom and how? jberryhill Jun 2016 #3
The FBI could have kept him under surveillance cali Jun 2016 #4
I doubt there is anywhere remotely near enough FBI agents to surveil everyone that should be watched Fumesucker Jun 2016 #5
An impossible task for sure. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #6
Maybe the agents investigating Hillary Abouttime Jun 2016 #29
24 hours a day in shifts? jberryhill Jun 2016 #9
Anyone who has been on a terrorist watch list should be pinged to the Feds when they buy a gun. onehandle Jun 2016 #7
Okay, and then what? jberryhill Jun 2016 #10
Was it his job to carry THAT gun? No. How about all that ammo? Again, not required for professional Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #16
I think that gun dealer librarylu Jun 2016 #11
The FBI is notified when someone on the terrorist watch list buys a gun. The Orlando shooter... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #13
that is where the FBI screwed up Amishman Jun 2016 #21
Okay, so let's say he was on the list and bought a gun jberryhill Jun 2016 #22
bring him in for questioning Amishman Jun 2016 #24
"bring him in for questioning"? jberryhill Jun 2016 #25
Perhaps while being on the watch list and questioned twice REP Jun 2016 #33
I read somewhere that they contacted him with an undercover agent and tapped his phone, etc. Solomon Jun 2016 #12
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #14
Excuse me? You're fucking accusing me of using puke talking points? cali Jun 2016 #17
FBI too busy checking library records to actually notice those who should be noticed. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #18
I found the "appeared to be speaking a ME language" to be amusing. Igel Jun 2016 #19
If he was on a terrorism watch list why wasn't he fired? mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #26
Do you believe the government should have the power to have people fired by putting them on a list? jberryhill Jun 2016 #35
The FBI dropped the ball on this one Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #32
Maybe the FBI rusty fender Jun 2016 #34
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