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34. He calls 911 then exchanges gunfire with police outside the club before entering

Fri Jun 17, 2016, 07:44 AM

Jun 2016

What did he say to 911 and how did contact with the police begin? He allegedly mentioned the Tsarnov brothers during that call -- if true then it seems he called 911 in Orlando with some kind of threat and police may have moved to subdue him.

Mateen was a person of interest for the FBI in 2013 and 2014, had contact with a suicide bomber, trained and licensed on firearms, pro-security guard since 2007, his father announced candidacy for President of Afghanistan... this doesn't sound like a sexual identity struggle.

In my reading, there is no evidence that he had sex with another man. He came to the club repeatedly before the shooting but only a couple of people talked to him. They said he was drunk and rude. That doesn't seem like a person who wants to get it on.

By his ex-wife's account, "he wasn't very religious."
http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-mateen-pulse-orlando-florida-shooting-gunman-attack-name-photos-facebook-motive-terrorism/

If Mateen is either not gay or not religious (or both) then this whole theory about doing his motivation being internally conflicted about religion and sexuality falls apart.

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FBI Told Orlando Shooter's Wife Not to Tell US Media He Was Gay [View all] ellenrr Jun 2016 OP

K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #1

So he was gay and killed other gay people because of his religious beliefs. CJCRANE Jun 2016 #2

And maybe because he was "crazy" with self-loathing, also Ilsa Jun 2016 #3

Their ideology and related ideologies are a factor. Otherwise you're blaming violence against gay CJCRANE Jun 2016 #13

I'm not blaming violence on LGBT on LGBT. I'm blaming Ilsa Jun 2016 #75

His father was "strict" apparently. librarylu Jun 2016 #77

There's another thing I wonder if we're seeing pieces of, Ilsa Jun 2016 #80

I hope you'll say it anyway. librarylu Jun 2016 #81

You're leaving out zentrum Jun 2016 #125

Sorry, I thought it was obvious. Ilsa Jun 2016 #132

What's self loathing? King_David Jun 2016 #84

especially when the loathing originates from society and religion southmost Jun 2016 #118

Gay! King_David Jun 2016 #120

Thank you. Aerows Jun 2016 #172

Do you actually NOT know the definition, or do you hold the belief that there AREN'T people in this Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #122

YOu think an Islamic terrorist who pledges allegiance to ISIS is less likely to massacre 50 Gays King_David Jun 2016 #124

So you've already decided to follow whatever the M$M spews out, rather than waiting on more facts to Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #131

Strange kind of "Gay" guy has his face on Grinder, visits openly a Gay bar, and takes his wife to a King_David Jun 2016 #133

I'm straight and have been to gay bars, and ENJOYED it, so what's your point? Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #142

So many straight "experts " on the Gays . King_David Jun 2016 #159

I'm so glad there are straight people Aerows Jun 2016 #162

I know , it's pretty weird.. King_David Jun 2016 #163

Please show where ONE TIME told anyone about THEIR experiences in life. Just ONE example will do... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #174

That was not directed at you. Aerows Jun 2016 #175

Thank you, Aerows.... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #179

You as well, my friend. Aerows Jun 2016 #180

Several people close to him are saying this. As well as... Ash_F Jun 2016 #193

There was this too Ash_F Jun 2016 #195

Any sexual partners come forward? King_David Jun 2016 #197

I believe the person quoted is gay Ash_F Jun 2016 #200

He had Grinder on his phone as do most straight killer murderers of Gay people King_David Jun 2016 #202

It was gay men who knew him that have been giving the media these accounts Ash_F Jun 2016 #203

Aaand here goes one. Ash_F Jun 2016 #211

. King_David Jun 2016 #212

And he had a wife and child. Ash_F Jun 2016 #213

Rachel Maddow had a guest on this evening who explained the issue beautifully. MADem Jun 2016 #127

If this guy was Gay he was hardly closeted, King_David Jun 2016 #130

You need to understand that the world of immigrants often does not intersect with larger society. MADem Jun 2016 #138

Don't ever tell a gay person what they need to understand Aerows Jun 2016 #143

You need to understand Muslim culture. MADem Jun 2016 #145

You seem to believe you are an expert on everything. Aerows Jun 2016 #164

I did not do that and you are telling an untruth when you make that claim. MADem Jun 2016 #166

I don't want to talk *that* much. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #167

Every Gay person , no matter their language or culture King_David Jun 2016 #160

Or comments from the peanut gallery. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #168

Way to miss the point I was making. MADem Jun 2016 #170

It's easy to miss the points you make Aerows Jun 2016 #176

I think this makes the most sense. Ash_F Jun 2016 #201

the terms self-loathing and self-hating are cop outs southmost Jun 2016 #117

Yes King_David Jun 2016 #121

If I may, when is a person not Gay, even if his behavior is homosexual? Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #204

what does that question mean ? nt King_David Jun 2016 #205

Thank you. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #206

Bye King_David Jun 2016 #207

Bam. Aerows Jun 2016 #171

If I may, when is a person not Gay, even if his behavior is homosexual? Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #188

I have no idea. Aerows Jun 2016 #190

Love your first paragraph! cwydro Jun 2016 #214

There is something called "situational homosexuality." Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #209

My questions were prompted by the debate over whether or not... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #210

I agree, Ilsa Night Watchman Jun 2016 #134

^^^ This. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #189

Yep, I believe he was pious and struggling with his self-identity. joshcryer Jun 2016 #7

So what about the ideology? Or are self-loathing gay people the problem? CJCRANE Jun 2016 #14

Ideology trumps self-loathing, imo. joshcryer Jun 2016 #30

Good post. +1 840high Jun 2016 #99

Terror organizations count on disaffected young men to do the work they won't do. MADem Jun 2016 #129

Ideology creates the self-loathing Gore1FL Jun 2016 #38

There is no group of people who are "the problem" jberryhill Jun 2016 #76

Seriously? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #100

Then it is remarkably inefficient jberryhill Jun 2016 #101

It's extremely efficient. Corporate666 Jun 2016 #183

Oh bullshit jberryhill Jun 2016 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author cynzke Jun 2016 #53

Some of the extremist groups teach that martyrdom during Ramadan cleanses all sins Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #18

I don't think his plan was to be a martyr notadmblnd Jun 2016 #40

No he came out armed and shooting Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #41

I see. Thanks notadmblnd Jun 2016 #42

But Mateen... cynzke Jun 2016 #46

Lots of these types are very recent converts Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #55

This is true. Of course, it doesn't have to be what we think of as martyrdom. MADem Jun 2016 #139

I suspected such... FarPoint Jun 2016 #20

He calls 911 then exchanges gunfire with police outside the club before entering GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #34

Iman From His Mosque Weighs In! cynzke Jun 2016 #69

I don't think IMAN is a member of his mosque. MADem Jun 2016 #146

He needed to prove to his father and family that he wasn't gay! kpola12 Jun 2016 #110

Crap King_David Jun 2016 #119

This evading the subject has gotten nearly comic Aerows Jun 2016 #186

It's really a frustrating conversation. nt King_David Jun 2016 #192

why the hell would they do that? tomp Jun 2016 #4

They wouldn't melman Jun 2016 #5

Nah, I can see the strategy here. joshcryer Jun 2016 #11

So it's all the fault of a self-loathing gay person? CJCRANE Jun 2016 #16

Nah, if true... joshcryer Jun 2016 #70

That's fucking offensive... And yet they continue.... King_David Jun 2016 #85

BUT, The FBI cynzke Jun 2016 #64

Even more to the point. joshcryer Jun 2016 #71

Actually they would Chuuku Davis Jun 2016 #43

The "terrorist" angle is much more profitable for the MIC tom_kelly Jun 2016 #82

To play up the ISIS angle and make it all about the war on terror mainer Jun 2016 #6

Probably to use him in social media to track down advocates. joshcryer Jun 2016 #9

to get more funding for the war on terror craigmatic Jun 2016 #155

I want to believe.... ileus Jun 2016 #8

Many here are very willing to believe that rubbish. nt King_David Jun 2016 #86

Or tiptoe around reality. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #173

He was one sick piece of change.. ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #10

Yep jberryhill Jun 2016 #105

In a nutshell. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #178

This doesn't make sense, on the surface, but my paranoid side sees more Android3.14 Jun 2016 #12

Sounds like a good theory to me mdbl Jun 2016 #15

I think it's worse to blame it on the gay community CJCRANE Jun 2016 #17

It's not the gay community. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #21

What ideology? Technodaoist Jun 2016 #23

Agreed librarylu Jun 2016 #79

Yeah, I blame video games Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #137

It's homophobic as far as I'm concerned King_David Jun 2016 #88

It's homophobic bullshit. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #104

It's pretty frustrating reading these threads King_David Jun 2016 #108

Perhaps we aren't just being grateful. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #144

Everyone is an "expert" on closeted homosexuality here. King_David Jun 2016 #161

A bunch of people say they suspected it right away after it happened gollygee Jun 2016 #165

+1 King_David Jun 2016 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Demit Jun 2016 #25

I don't believe her. 4139 Jun 2016 #19

Yeah, I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. She's just as guilty as he is. underahedgerow Jun 2016 #22

What are you talking about? Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #27

Note the difficult terrain that is the path of claiming a man with multiple wifes and no male Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #60

The former governor of NJ had two wives, both beautiful and smart and kind women. MADem Jun 2016 #141

This is the ex-wife speaking. Not the current wife. Demit Jun 2016 #26

That's what I get for not reading thoroughly. underahedgerow Jun 2016 #37

Even if she's lying SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #24

Ill bet they told her not to talk to the media at all. yardwork Jun 2016 #28

Who is she manipulating? Demit Jun 2016 #47

She made the choice to talk to media, even while saying the FBI told her not to. This is an active Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #54

What does this tell you about the media? SmittynMo Jun 2016 #29

She Gave An Interview To a Brazilian TV Station! cynzke Jun 2016 #68

This tidbit is from the current boyfriend of the shooters ex wife? FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #31

We keep hearing from the shooter's wife, his ex-wife, his ex-wife's current boyfriend but what we Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #51

Regulars at the gay club reported seeing him often. He used gay dating apps. Demit Jun 2016 #59

A former classmate said Mateen cheered for 9-11 in class. Was that also gosple truth? Trump Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #63

How is killing 49 people in a club "actual evidence" that he was using dating apps to target them? Demit Jun 2016 #72

Where's the male lovers King_David Jun 2016 #115

Yes, by all accounts he was a strange dude. Demit Jun 2016 #156

So what, King_David Jun 2016 #92

His past hookups may be among the first victims spud_demon Jun 2016 #113

It's fact the motive was Islamic Fundamentalist gay hating bigot... King_David Jun 2016 #116

homophobia spud_demon Jun 2016 #140

I doubt he was gay, King_David Jun 2016 #90

Not yet.. busterbrown Jun 2016 #149

He was an Islamic terrorist King_David Jun 2016 #157

He was a angry fucked up asshole...looking for some sort of sick attention.. busterbrown Jun 2016 #182

Its not one or the other - its BOTH. Why is that so hard for everyone to accept? Justice Jun 2016 #32

Yep! Agree! Makes sense. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #52

The FBI.... cynzke Jun 2016 #73

But maindawg Jun 2016 #33

If the FBI did thst mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #35

Seems the FBI is STILL run by Republicans.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #36

I call bullshit Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #39

Absolute horse crap.... King_David Jun 2016 #94

If FBI told her, she didn't listen. LisaL Jun 2016 #44

That's why this has to BS RockaFowler Jun 2016 #49

The people who bought the crap pushed by his bigoted father now buy this obvious bullshit. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #45

How is the woman who divorced him in 2009 complicit? Demit Jun 2016 #48

Oh so this is the 'gay man's' FIRST wife, not his current wife? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #50

Pretty much what the 'ex' in ex-wife means, yes. Demit Jun 2016 #56

Yes, and 'ex wife and current wife' means he was married two times to a woman, this oh so very Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #57

Are you serious? Demit Jun 2016 #62

You are presenting his two wives and no boyfriends as proof he is gay. That's delusional. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #66

Since We Know... cynzke Jun 2016 #74

It's offensive.. King_David Jun 2016 #95

Bingo. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #187

Is it possible to be Gay, yet have no boyfriends? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #198

Anything to maintain a specific narrative. n/t Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #58

I don't know why people believe everything the family says but think the FBI has to be lying gollygee Jun 2016 #61

ISIS would never accept a gay man in their ranks. They won't take credit for the attack. librechik Jun 2016 #65

ISIS claimed responsibility and "ownership" of Mateen's slaughter riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #102

Is it at all possible... forgotmylogin Jun 2016 #67

In 2016 ? Really? King_David Jun 2016 #96

While that may be true Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #78

Doubtful he was Gay. nt King_David Jun 2016 #83

Wow. Looks like things are gonna get interesting. Octafish Jun 2016 #87

If it's true.. BadGimp Jun 2016 #91

Shooters x wife did make mention of her suspecting shooter was gay in a very thinly veiled way. Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2016 #93

There's nothing to substantiate her comment, but it would play into the ''terrorism" scenario. YOHABLO Jun 2016 #97

Stupid libodem Jun 2016 #98

Absolutely. Must be a Muslim problem! Stonepounder Jun 2016 #103

+1 jberryhill Jun 2016 #106

I can't believe our FBI at the behest of heaven05 Jun 2016 #107

And we continue the circle of hate Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #109

I could see the FBI asking her not to say anything justiceischeap Jun 2016 #111

I don't think he was gay. yardwork Jun 2016 #112

I don't think being a troubled teen negates closeted homosexual ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #114

Rubbish King_David Jun 2016 #123

Okay. Where are his victims from the app. ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #126

Most unsuccessful Gay dude I ever heard of , King_David Jun 2016 #128

That didn't answer either question ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #136

His first wife says he was gay. So there's that. pnwmom Jun 2016 #148

She didn't even really say that melman Jun 2016 #150

She also said Mateen's father had called him gay several times in front of her, pnwmom Jun 2016 #152

That's her fiance that said that melman Jun 2016 #153

Yes, I had added that. I also pointed out that the report says that a former pnwmom Jun 2016 #154

So do you also accept the story of the classmate who says Mateen cheered the 9-11 attacks? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #181

So we been told by all the instant straight "experts" here. King_David Jun 2016 #158

So did a college classmate who said Mateen pnwmom Jun 2016 #184

Cos this straight classmate had Gaydar. ? King_David Jun 2016 #191

No, as I said, this gay classmate wasn't out yet. And he said Mateen pnwmom Jun 2016 #194

I'm sure he must have had plenty hookups having Grinder and being in Gay bars.... King_David Jun 2016 #196

Do you think if he had any they would be wanting to make that public now? n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #199

His first wife said lots of stereotypical crap and his second wife was yet another wife..... Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #177

Homophobia kills. McCamy Taylor Jun 2016 #135

We don't know all there is to know about this man yet. King_Klonopin Jun 2016 #147

Is Hoover still running the FBI? MFM008 Jun 2016 #151

This FBI has had so many missed opportunities. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #169

One thing Runningdawg Jun 2016 #208