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In reply to the discussion: How Walker Really Won Wisconsin [View all]Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Yes, rich people are greedy, too. That's why there is a movement against them.
Yes, unioners are greedy, too. That may be partly why there is a willingness to vote against them.
We were specifically talking about unions and the Wisconsin vote. I didn't say that rich people weren't greedy, as well. I pointed out to you that unions, since the beg. of the recession, have sometimes shown an unwillingness to give an inch on their benefits that were based on a healthy, robust economy, and low cost health care. Those days are gone. AT&t didn't propose doing away with health care for pensioners. It asked the union for new pensioners to pay part of the premium. Every private sector worker in America would've jumped at such an offer. But AT&T workers picketed. When millions didn't have a job at all. When health care costs had soared to unbelievable heights. Greed.
Some union workers have never worked outside a union environment and don't understand how good they've got it, and how greedy some of their demands may seem to private sector workers.
My brother is retired on a union pension, in addn to SS and he'll get Medicare. When I was unemployed recently (I've found another job), he said to just go ahead and consider myself retired, so I can get my pension from my co. I had to remind him....private sector workers don't have pensions usually, like I didn't. He asked how much health care coverage my co. would be providing. My answer: None. I have to buy it myself until I find other employment, and then get Medicare at age 65. He had no clue.
So when I see AT&T workers picketing, while others are unemployed in a recession, and they're whining about having to kick in a bit for their health-care-for-life pension benefits, yes, I consider that greed. And so do a lot of other people, apparently. Esp. those who voted to keep Walker in office.
If I had been in Wisconsin, I would've voted to recall Walker, but then supported anyone who pressured the public unions to give in on their pension benefits. Those healthy pensions are no longer supportable in today's economy.