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snooper2

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138. We used to have techs manually configure switches and equipment for provisioning of telecom services

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 09:32 AM

Jun 2012

You know, simple stuff like building router interfaces, VC's, trunk groups...

A big pain in the ass, lots of room for error, continual training

Over the past 12 years we have put in a lot of software to do this instead of humans. Auto provisioning...

Folks that were doing that gradually moved into Care/Repair and other areas. IT has grown with departments servicing and developing software based on requirements folks like me write.

We are always evolving. So you are whining about a problem that doesn't exist. Society always grows and jobs become obsolete and new jobs are created. Get over yourself.

Were you around like a worried nelly when switchboard operators were replaced by well, a switch?
How about when portable compressors became available? Did you go out on the streets and scream for all the construction jobs that would be lost because one person can be 3 times more productive?
Where were all the alarm system companies in 1905? Oh yeah, they didn't exist LOL...

(We can do this for hours or days if you want )

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Italian Grocer Deploys �Scan and Bag�-Style Technology [View all] Sherman A1 Jun 2012 OP

One of our local Giant supermarkets does this LiberalEsto Jun 2012 #1

Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team) Vincent89 Jun 2012 #2

Not a good thing at all. This technology means someone loses a job. GoneOffShore Jun 2012 #3

Just like when the mechanized loom was invented (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #5

Agreed Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #10

So you want unnecessary busy work for people, so long as they get a paycheck? alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #11

Really? Where? Have you seen the unemployment rate lately? Zalatix Jun 2012 #15

If accountancy firms would get rid of computers, and hire an army of people with quill pens, Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #18

And if every job you could hope to have was automated Zalatix Jun 2012 #19

I don't believe you've thought this through carefully enough Mairead Jun 2012 #59

The customer also labors to select the items alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #64

Completely different issue. The customer benefits from selecting. Mairead Jun 2012 #80

At a point in time Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #84

Vincent89 is just trying to build up a post count siligut Jun 2012 #12

It would appear Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #85

It would also appear that he's disappeared. GoneOffShore Jun 2012 #91

Precisely! LiberalEsto Jun 2012 #13

Do you refuse to ride in elevators without elevator operators? Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #14

Perhaps you should read this. Zalatix Jun 2012 #17

I don't use the scanners at all and try not to use self-checkouts for CTyankee Jun 2012 #74

No, it means a higher paying job has more work.. snooper2 Jun 2012 #20

There aren't very many jobs of that type. Certainly not as many as the jobs it eliminates. Zalatix Jun 2012 #96

in china. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #127

To this day I hold a grudge against Ford 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #47

It would be fine if our advancing civilization was advancing towards jp11 Jun 2012 #109

It isn't? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #135

here here... what we should do is emulate the Amish belcffub Jun 2012 #48

Or we could just wait until technology makes most of humanity redundant and unnecessary. Zalatix Jun 2012 #89

They are just "throwaway people" SoCalDem Jun 2012 #114

Yup, and that's what causes rebellions. Zalatix Jun 2012 #116

Hasn't that been happening all along then, though? treestar Jun 2012 #120

In the past. Now we have hit the tipping point. Zalatix Jun 2012 #125

I've been shopping like this for years at my local Stop & Shop. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #4

Same here SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #21

How odd. I always get a smile and a cheery word from the cashier Mairead Jun 2012 #61

As do I SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #78

Yet you still trade there? I wouldn't. Mairead Jun 2012 #81

Agreed Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #83

It's the closest store to my house SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #86

Ahold uses those in their Giant stores. Silly devices. I've watched people shoplift. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #6

Here in Oregon, all fuel is pumped by an attendant, always. 'Self service' is not allowed. Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #8

That's good. I've seen people smoking while they pump gas. That frightens me. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #9

LOL, was smoking at the pump a while back at QuickTrip snooper2 Jun 2012 #30

That is correct - the open flame is the issue. Still, I've seen that. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #31

The guy in the video is an idiot. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #32

You didn't do well in chemistry did you :) snooper2 Jun 2012 #34

Not sure what this video has to do with anything? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #36

"Given the appropriate conditions" is the hang-up, here. Robb Jun 2012 #39

How can you say the conditions do not exist? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #45

Simple. Robb Jun 2012 #46

The vapors are not in an enclosed space. But the vapors are concentrated at the fill point. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #56

Sure. But insufficiently. Robb Jun 2012 #60

Before you start accusing people of not doing well in chemistry class Blecht Jun 2012 #42

Robb is all over it snooper2 Jun 2012 #49

I am a smoker, but I am not crazy enough to smoke while pumping gas. n/t RebelOne Jun 2012 #44

Question??........ mrmpa Jun 2012 #35

If you don't have a so-called "loyalty" card, they have to scan a store card. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #40

Good to know. Thank you. eom mrmpa Jun 2012 #82

Local product making international splash.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #7

local K mart have a few of the scanners ... littlewolf Jun 2012 #16

I. Can't. Believe. Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #22

Not a new thing. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #23

You will never make a credible case for more automation when we have so many people unemployed. Zalatix Jun 2012 #25

Despite your hysteria Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #27

Your ostrich reasoning cannot answer one basic question Zalatix Jun 2012 #51

Maybe they can dig ditches Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #57

Obviously you don't realize how serious the unemployment problem is. Zalatix Jun 2012 #62

What is the self-described DEMOCRAT Nancy Pelosi doing about these bag boy/clerk jobs? Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #68

Oh that bullshit "Nancy Pelosi is a Plutocrat" crap again? Zalatix Jun 2012 #70

I told you - give one of them your job Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #72

Perhaps your tune will change when your job is automated away Zalatix Jun 2012 #75

And maybe you'll walk your talk Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #77

Your challenge is bullshit. Zalatix Jun 2012 #87

BTW I notice you have nothing to offer all the people who are losing their jobs because of this. Zalatix Jun 2012 #90

The dirty little secret is that no one knows what to do with the unemployed. former9thward Jun 2012 #102

Thanks for an honest answer. That's a rarity in society now. Zalatix Jun 2012 #105

You mention the Middle East. former9thward Jun 2012 #110

Yes indeedy it does. And sometimes armed revolutions do make things worse. Zalatix Jun 2012 #115

We used to have techs manually configure switches and equipment for provisioning of telecom services snooper2 Jun 2012 #138

Yes I can do this for hours. Years, in fact. Show us the job boom. Where is it? Zalatix Jun 2012 #151

And outsourcing continues too... LanternWaste Jun 2012 #52

The system will collapse in on itself as unemployment continues to grow. Zalatix Jun 2012 #53

We all prognosticate, and pretend we know what will happen. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #79

I am very confident about EXACTLY what will happen. Zalatix Jun 2012 #88

Does that go for all automation then? NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #33

These are not self checkouts as we are accustomed to seeing Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #38

That exists now Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #41

We're either going to address the accelerating loss of jobs Zalatix Jun 2012 #95

This is good. Let's not pretend corporate stores haven't been cutting staff RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #24

Made in China, not the USA. Zalatix Jun 2012 #26

I am not going to fall for any nonsense such as freezing technology and innovation RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #28

And I ain't baggin my own feckin groceries either. 10% off or the line waits! RadiationTherapy Jun 2012 #29

Then you will fall for increasing unemployment. Enjoy! Zalatix Jun 2012 #50

You have a few areas of confusion. The devices the OP speaks of are hand held pods, not self Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #139

Growth and loss, but over time things will balance out. Zalatix Jun 2012 #152

Stores do need to be restocked, however Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #37

It will be just like The Jetsons Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #43

Keep dreaming. Zalatix Jun 2012 #54

What the Jetsons never showed you was why "everyone" drove around in flying cars and lived haele Jun 2012 #55

Your mind can come with even better scenarios Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #58

Haele has a real point. All you've got is snark. Zalatix Jun 2012 #63

All you have is laughable hysteria Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #67

All you have is an ignorant ostrich approach. Zalatix Jun 2012 #69

And you don't care about the unemployed switchboard operators Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #71

And you don't care about unemployed people at all. Zalatix Jun 2012 #73

Now that is shockingly insightful. Come to think of it you never did see the Earth's surface Zalatix Jun 2012 #65

Thanks for playing... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #100

Oh now you've done it. mythology Jun 2012 #111

Indeed... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #117

Thanks for bringing those up - haele Jun 2012 #154

As usual, the employment issue comes to bear. haele Jun 2012 #66

Ever notice how you bring up the unemployment issue and everyone avoids it? Zalatix Jun 2012 #92

No one is ignoring SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #93

So you're on board to see unemployment increase unabated. Gotcha. Zalatix Jun 2012 #94

Why are you on a computer? SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #97

What are you going to do when your job gets automated Zalatix Jun 2012 #98

Should it ever happen, I'll be sure to let you know SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #101

LOL that's your problem. You think you're immune. Zalatix Jun 2012 #103

Nope, no belief that I'm immune SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #104

And what will you do if it does happen, and you can't find another job? Zalatix Jun 2012 #106

No, I won't SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #108

You'll deal with it by being unemployed. How much can you buy on $0 an hour? Zalatix Jun 2012 #112

Well at least you answered SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #113

Not a dishonest answer, just not one you want to hear. Zalatix Jun 2012 #123

Unless you are in NJ or Oregon, you probably pump all of your own gas and refuse assistance Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #145

Actually that's one of several things I wrote my state assemblyman about. So, next try please? Zalatix Jun 2012 #149

Why didn't that happen before? treestar Jun 2012 #121

It didn't happen before because we had new industries creating lots of jobs. Zalatix Jun 2012 #124

OF course there are new industries treestar Jun 2012 #126

Please re-read carefully. I said, no new industries that are creating LOTS of jobs. Zalatix Jun 2012 #131

I don't see the statistics on this anywhere treestar Jun 2012 #132

Of course you don't see the new job boom being created Zalatix Jun 2012 #136

Neither of us knows treestar Jun 2012 #146

As I said, show me the job boom, otherwise you really don't have a good argument here. Zalatix Jun 2012 #150

Straw man. I don't have to show a "job boom." treestar Jun 2012 #153

Yes you do have to show it. The jobs overall and relative to the population have NOT increased. Zalatix Jun 2012 #155

The only supermarket I've seen use hand-held scanners in the UK is a cooperative muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #129

That's because when workers control the work place, they say 'being a checker sucks and is Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #141

Not only is it physically strenuous it is mentally draining SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #142

This turned into an amazing thread Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #76

I worked for a retailer that mucked around with all this... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #99

Indeed Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #118

There wasn't even a reduction in staff Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #128

There may not have been a staff reduction at your store Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #130

I don't dispute that, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2012 #133

I hate those scanners. Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #107

But then they create jobs for scanner makers treestar Jun 2012 #122

The person can see how much they are spending as they go along treestar Jun 2012 #119

Good point Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #140

This is news? I just did it an hour ago dont hassle the hoff Jun 2012 #134

Wow Sherman A1 Jun 2012 #137

Where did you use a hand held pod device to shop in the US? Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #143

Giant has had them here in NOVA for two or three years now SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #144

So just as in Italy, the system you use is a customer choice option.... Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #147

Absolutely SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #148