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Demit

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156. Yes, by all accounts he was a strange dude.

Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:13 AM

Jun 2016

He creeped out several men in the club over the course of the three years he was observed there. Reading what they said, I was reminded of Elliot Rodger, who wanted beautiful women and was frustrated that they didn't want him.

Look, I'm not the one being insistent on a single narrative here. I happen to believe he acted out of a collection of motives. I don't think that insisting he wasn't gay makes the case that he was a political terrorist any stronger. If insisting that he couldn't possibly have been gay and still in the closet works for you, fine. I'm just listening to what the people who did know him, & did interact with him, have said.

"Plenty of" females? The two wives, who both met him online when they went looking for a Muslim husband, and—?

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FBI Told Orlando Shooter's Wife Not to Tell US Media He Was Gay [View all] ellenrr Jun 2016 OP

K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #1

So he was gay and killed other gay people because of his religious beliefs. CJCRANE Jun 2016 #2

And maybe because he was "crazy" with self-loathing, also Ilsa Jun 2016 #3

Their ideology and related ideologies are a factor. Otherwise you're blaming violence against gay CJCRANE Jun 2016 #13

I'm not blaming violence on LGBT on LGBT. I'm blaming Ilsa Jun 2016 #75

His father was "strict" apparently. librarylu Jun 2016 #77

There's another thing I wonder if we're seeing pieces of, Ilsa Jun 2016 #80

I hope you'll say it anyway. librarylu Jun 2016 #81

You're leaving out zentrum Jun 2016 #125

Sorry, I thought it was obvious. Ilsa Jun 2016 #132

What's self loathing? King_David Jun 2016 #84

especially when the loathing originates from society and religion southmost Jun 2016 #118

Gay! King_David Jun 2016 #120

Thank you. Aerows Jun 2016 #172

Do you actually NOT know the definition, or do you hold the belief that there AREN'T people in this Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #122

YOu think an Islamic terrorist who pledges allegiance to ISIS is less likely to massacre 50 Gays King_David Jun 2016 #124

So you've already decided to follow whatever the M$M spews out, rather than waiting on more facts to Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #131

Strange kind of "Gay" guy has his face on Grinder, visits openly a Gay bar, and takes his wife to a King_David Jun 2016 #133

I'm straight and have been to gay bars, and ENJOYED it, so what's your point? Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #142

So many straight "experts " on the Gays . King_David Jun 2016 #159

I'm so glad there are straight people Aerows Jun 2016 #162

I know , it's pretty weird.. King_David Jun 2016 #163

Please show where ONE TIME told anyone about THEIR experiences in life. Just ONE example will do... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #174

That was not directed at you. Aerows Jun 2016 #175

Thank you, Aerows.... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #179

You as well, my friend. Aerows Jun 2016 #180

Several people close to him are saying this. As well as... Ash_F Jun 2016 #193

There was this too Ash_F Jun 2016 #195

Any sexual partners come forward? King_David Jun 2016 #197

I believe the person quoted is gay Ash_F Jun 2016 #200

He had Grinder on his phone as do most straight killer murderers of Gay people King_David Jun 2016 #202

It was gay men who knew him that have been giving the media these accounts Ash_F Jun 2016 #203

Aaand here goes one. Ash_F Jun 2016 #211

. King_David Jun 2016 #212

And he had a wife and child. Ash_F Jun 2016 #213

Rachel Maddow had a guest on this evening who explained the issue beautifully. MADem Jun 2016 #127

If this guy was Gay he was hardly closeted, King_David Jun 2016 #130

You need to understand that the world of immigrants often does not intersect with larger society. MADem Jun 2016 #138

Don't ever tell a gay person what they need to understand Aerows Jun 2016 #143

You need to understand Muslim culture. MADem Jun 2016 #145

You seem to believe you are an expert on everything. Aerows Jun 2016 #164

I did not do that and you are telling an untruth when you make that claim. MADem Jun 2016 #166

I don't want to talk *that* much. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #167

Every Gay person , no matter their language or culture King_David Jun 2016 #160

Or comments from the peanut gallery. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #168

Way to miss the point I was making. MADem Jun 2016 #170

It's easy to miss the points you make Aerows Jun 2016 #176

I think this makes the most sense. Ash_F Jun 2016 #201

the terms self-loathing and self-hating are cop outs southmost Jun 2016 #117

Yes King_David Jun 2016 #121

If I may, when is a person not Gay, even if his behavior is homosexual? Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #204

what does that question mean ? nt King_David Jun 2016 #205

Thank you. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #206

Bye King_David Jun 2016 #207

Bam. Aerows Jun 2016 #171

If I may, when is a person not Gay, even if his behavior is homosexual? Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #188

I have no idea. Aerows Jun 2016 #190

Love your first paragraph! cwydro Jun 2016 #214

There is something called "situational homosexuality." Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #209

My questions were prompted by the debate over whether or not... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #210

I agree, Ilsa Night Watchman Jun 2016 #134

^^^ This. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #189

Yep, I believe he was pious and struggling with his self-identity. joshcryer Jun 2016 #7

So what about the ideology? Or are self-loathing gay people the problem? CJCRANE Jun 2016 #14

Ideology trumps self-loathing, imo. joshcryer Jun 2016 #30

Good post. +1 840high Jun 2016 #99

Terror organizations count on disaffected young men to do the work they won't do. MADem Jun 2016 #129

Ideology creates the self-loathing Gore1FL Jun 2016 #38

There is no group of people who are "the problem" jberryhill Jun 2016 #76

Seriously? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #100

Then it is remarkably inefficient jberryhill Jun 2016 #101

It's extremely efficient. Corporate666 Jun 2016 #183

Oh bullshit jberryhill Jun 2016 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author cynzke Jun 2016 #53

Some of the extremist groups teach that martyrdom during Ramadan cleanses all sins Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #18

I don't think his plan was to be a martyr notadmblnd Jun 2016 #40

No he came out armed and shooting Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #41

I see. Thanks notadmblnd Jun 2016 #42

But Mateen... cynzke Jun 2016 #46

Lots of these types are very recent converts Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #55

This is true. Of course, it doesn't have to be what we think of as martyrdom. MADem Jun 2016 #139

I suspected such... FarPoint Jun 2016 #20

He calls 911 then exchanges gunfire with police outside the club before entering GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #34

Iman From His Mosque Weighs In! cynzke Jun 2016 #69

I don't think IMAN is a member of his mosque. MADem Jun 2016 #146

He needed to prove to his father and family that he wasn't gay! kpola12 Jun 2016 #110

Crap King_David Jun 2016 #119

This evading the subject has gotten nearly comic Aerows Jun 2016 #186

It's really a frustrating conversation. nt King_David Jun 2016 #192

why the hell would they do that? tomp Jun 2016 #4

They wouldn't melman Jun 2016 #5

Nah, I can see the strategy here. joshcryer Jun 2016 #11

So it's all the fault of a self-loathing gay person? CJCRANE Jun 2016 #16

Nah, if true... joshcryer Jun 2016 #70

That's fucking offensive... And yet they continue.... King_David Jun 2016 #85

BUT, The FBI cynzke Jun 2016 #64

Even more to the point. joshcryer Jun 2016 #71

Actually they would Chuuku Davis Jun 2016 #43

The "terrorist" angle is much more profitable for the MIC tom_kelly Jun 2016 #82

To play up the ISIS angle and make it all about the war on terror mainer Jun 2016 #6

Probably to use him in social media to track down advocates. joshcryer Jun 2016 #9

to get more funding for the war on terror craigmatic Jun 2016 #155

I want to believe.... ileus Jun 2016 #8

Many here are very willing to believe that rubbish. nt King_David Jun 2016 #86

Or tiptoe around reality. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #173

He was one sick piece of change.. ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #10

Yep jberryhill Jun 2016 #105

In a nutshell. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #178

This doesn't make sense, on the surface, but my paranoid side sees more Android3.14 Jun 2016 #12

Sounds like a good theory to me mdbl Jun 2016 #15

I think it's worse to blame it on the gay community CJCRANE Jun 2016 #17

It's not the gay community. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #21

What ideology? Technodaoist Jun 2016 #23

Agreed librarylu Jun 2016 #79

Yeah, I blame video games Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #137

It's homophobic as far as I'm concerned King_David Jun 2016 #88

It's homophobic bullshit. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #104

It's pretty frustrating reading these threads King_David Jun 2016 #108

Perhaps we aren't just being grateful. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #144

Everyone is an "expert" on closeted homosexuality here. King_David Jun 2016 #161

A bunch of people say they suspected it right away after it happened gollygee Jun 2016 #165

+1 King_David Jun 2016 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Demit Jun 2016 #25

I don't believe her. 4139 Jun 2016 #19

Yeah, I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. She's just as guilty as he is. underahedgerow Jun 2016 #22

What are you talking about? Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #27

Note the difficult terrain that is the path of claiming a man with multiple wifes and no male Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #60

The former governor of NJ had two wives, both beautiful and smart and kind women. MADem Jun 2016 #141

This is the ex-wife speaking. Not the current wife. Demit Jun 2016 #26

That's what I get for not reading thoroughly. underahedgerow Jun 2016 #37

Even if she's lying SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #24

Ill bet they told her not to talk to the media at all. yardwork Jun 2016 #28

Who is she manipulating? Demit Jun 2016 #47

She made the choice to talk to media, even while saying the FBI told her not to. This is an active Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #54

What does this tell you about the media? SmittynMo Jun 2016 #29

She Gave An Interview To a Brazilian TV Station! cynzke Jun 2016 #68

This tidbit is from the current boyfriend of the shooters ex wife? FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #31

We keep hearing from the shooter's wife, his ex-wife, his ex-wife's current boyfriend but what we Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #51

Regulars at the gay club reported seeing him often. He used gay dating apps. Demit Jun 2016 #59

A former classmate said Mateen cheered for 9-11 in class. Was that also gosple truth? Trump Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #63

How is killing 49 people in a club "actual evidence" that he was using dating apps to target them? Demit Jun 2016 #72

Where's the male lovers King_David Jun 2016 #115

Yes, by all accounts he was a strange dude. Demit Jun 2016 #156

So what, King_David Jun 2016 #92

His past hookups may be among the first victims spud_demon Jun 2016 #113

It's fact the motive was Islamic Fundamentalist gay hating bigot... King_David Jun 2016 #116

homophobia spud_demon Jun 2016 #140

I doubt he was gay, King_David Jun 2016 #90

Not yet.. busterbrown Jun 2016 #149

He was an Islamic terrorist King_David Jun 2016 #157

He was a angry fucked up asshole...looking for some sort of sick attention.. busterbrown Jun 2016 #182

Its not one or the other - its BOTH. Why is that so hard for everyone to accept? Justice Jun 2016 #32

Yep! Agree! Makes sense. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #52

The FBI.... cynzke Jun 2016 #73

But maindawg Jun 2016 #33

If the FBI did thst mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #35

Seems the FBI is STILL run by Republicans.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #36

I call bullshit Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #39

Absolute horse crap.... King_David Jun 2016 #94

If FBI told her, she didn't listen. LisaL Jun 2016 #44

That's why this has to BS RockaFowler Jun 2016 #49

The people who bought the crap pushed by his bigoted father now buy this obvious bullshit. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #45

How is the woman who divorced him in 2009 complicit? Demit Jun 2016 #48

Oh so this is the 'gay man's' FIRST wife, not his current wife? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #50

Pretty much what the 'ex' in ex-wife means, yes. Demit Jun 2016 #56

Yes, and 'ex wife and current wife' means he was married two times to a woman, this oh so very Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #57

Are you serious? Demit Jun 2016 #62

You are presenting his two wives and no boyfriends as proof he is gay. That's delusional. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #66

Since We Know... cynzke Jun 2016 #74

It's offensive.. King_David Jun 2016 #95

Bingo. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #187

Is it possible to be Gay, yet have no boyfriends? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #198

Anything to maintain a specific narrative. n/t Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #58

I don't know why people believe everything the family says but think the FBI has to be lying gollygee Jun 2016 #61

ISIS would never accept a gay man in their ranks. They won't take credit for the attack. librechik Jun 2016 #65

ISIS claimed responsibility and "ownership" of Mateen's slaughter riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #102

Is it at all possible... forgotmylogin Jun 2016 #67

In 2016 ? Really? King_David Jun 2016 #96

While that may be true Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #78

Doubtful he was Gay. nt King_David Jun 2016 #83

Wow. Looks like things are gonna get interesting. Octafish Jun 2016 #87

If it's true.. BadGimp Jun 2016 #91

Shooters x wife did make mention of her suspecting shooter was gay in a very thinly veiled way. Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2016 #93

There's nothing to substantiate her comment, but it would play into the ''terrorism" scenario. YOHABLO Jun 2016 #97

Stupid libodem Jun 2016 #98

Absolutely. Must be a Muslim problem! Stonepounder Jun 2016 #103

+1 jberryhill Jun 2016 #106

I can't believe our FBI at the behest of heaven05 Jun 2016 #107

And we continue the circle of hate Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #109

I could see the FBI asking her not to say anything justiceischeap Jun 2016 #111

I don't think he was gay. yardwork Jun 2016 #112

I don't think being a troubled teen negates closeted homosexual ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #114

Rubbish King_David Jun 2016 #123

Okay. Where are his victims from the app. ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #126

Most unsuccessful Gay dude I ever heard of , King_David Jun 2016 #128

That didn't answer either question ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #136

His first wife says he was gay. So there's that. pnwmom Jun 2016 #148

She didn't even really say that melman Jun 2016 #150

She also said Mateen's father had called him gay several times in front of her, pnwmom Jun 2016 #152

That's her fiance that said that melman Jun 2016 #153

Yes, I had added that. I also pointed out that the report says that a former pnwmom Jun 2016 #154

So do you also accept the story of the classmate who says Mateen cheered the 9-11 attacks? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #181

So we been told by all the instant straight "experts" here. King_David Jun 2016 #158

So did a college classmate who said Mateen pnwmom Jun 2016 #184

Cos this straight classmate had Gaydar. ? King_David Jun 2016 #191

No, as I said, this gay classmate wasn't out yet. And he said Mateen pnwmom Jun 2016 #194

I'm sure he must have had plenty hookups having Grinder and being in Gay bars.... King_David Jun 2016 #196

Do you think if he had any they would be wanting to make that public now? n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #199

His first wife said lots of stereotypical crap and his second wife was yet another wife..... Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #177

Homophobia kills. McCamy Taylor Jun 2016 #135

We don't know all there is to know about this man yet. King_Klonopin Jun 2016 #147

Is Hoover still running the FBI? MFM008 Jun 2016 #151

This FBI has had so many missed opportunities. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #169

One thing Runningdawg Jun 2016 #208