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In reply to the discussion: When the second amendment was penned, people owned flintlocks. [View all]Straw Man
(6,943 posts)124. Justifiable paranoia.
That amendment should have been repealed as soon as the citizen militia idea was abandoned.
It has yet to be abandoned, at least on paper.
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
--https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
(b) The classes of the militia are
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
--https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
The further we get away from a citizen army, the less democratic our republic is. The end of the draft ushered in the age of the all-volunteer army that doesn't accurately represent the populace as a whole. This is both unjust and dangerous. It is unjust in that it allows the wealthier segments of society to duck out of the duty of defending their interests (or the nation's interests, if we're being generous). It is dangerous in that it establishes a "warrior class" that sees itself as separate from the society at large and not answerable to them.
I'm not saying we don't need a standing army. However, I think the European model of mandatory national service, with the addition of heavier reliance on a civilian militia, would be a lot healthier for our society than what we have now.
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A "toy" that Tyrollean sharpshooters in the Austrian army claimed were accurate...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#44
Did you use the weapon in combat? Doubt it, so how is your opinion worth more...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#68
Provide a link where I claimed it was a firearm, and I happen to own a "big bore" air rifle
Marengo
Jun 2016
#73
The air reservoirs are detachable, and the intention was for the soldier to carry several...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#88
A 50 caliber bullet traveling as fast as a modern 45ACP? I don't think you're quite right. n/t
X_Digger
Jun 2016
#47
Displaying more ignorance on the subject. It's a pre-charged pneumatic design...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#84
750 psi. Are you even aware how much pressure that is? A .500 caliber slug traveling at 700fps.
X_Digger
Jun 2016
#89
You are displaying ignorance on this subject. The firing of extent specimens...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#75
They were worried about Indians, Spanish, British, Slave insurrections, rebellions, riots, smugglers
jmg257
Jun 2016
#136
What the fuck does this have to do with guns that can slaughter human beings with aplomb?
Dem2
Jun 2016
#20
The British had provisions for "putting down insurrections" too....they were unsuccessful...
pipoman
Jun 2016
#39
There was definitely the Southern States concern. As the Virginia debates clearly show.
jmg257
Jun 2016
#93
Even then the militias were a bunch of lazy drunks more likely to shoot each other vs. a perceived
Dem2
Jun 2016
#95
As Bogus describes - often ineffective - which is why improving their situation was "necessary".
jmg257
Jun 2016
#96
So why did those slave-appeasing states like Vermont and Pennsylvania enshrine the same protection
X_Digger
Jun 2016
#98
How is that relevant to the article or points about the Constitutional Convention and the South?
Dem2
Jun 2016
#99
Bogus's paper presupposes his own conclusion-- that the 2nd was an appeasement.
X_Digger
Jun 2016
#101
I kick the leg out of Bogus' twaddle, with one simple post, and that's 'self-serving'??
X_Digger
Jun 2016
#106
Mass-murder means nothing when one is concerned about features that didn't even exist
Dem2
Jun 2016
#104
I did similar with a nail, paper cone, a tube and an air fitting stuffed into end of said tube
Dem2
Jun 2016
#110
Still claiming a Daisy BB rifle is more effective? Still claiming you know more than those...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#121
I am at work, I can cite you just as many limitations and laws related to the first amendement
etherealtruth
Jun 2016
#61
I never denied the limitations , simply pointed out that I don't beleive it is the most limited
etherealtruth
Jun 2016
#69
I like that it's harder for people to vote or get a driver's license than buying a gun
tenderfoot
Jun 2016
#10
So I don't have to fill out a form 4473 and show ID when I get a gun from a dealer in Florida?
Lee-Lee
Jun 2016
#94
Funny how the RIGHT always back off original intent when it comes to the 2nd Amendment,
JCMach1
Jun 2016
#16
The 2nd was penned because the people had the right, along with the duty, to serve in the militias.
jmg257
Jun 2016
#24
Yep, the 2nd was written under the thinking that standing armies would always be a tool of tyranny.
Lord Magus
Jun 2016
#28
Your two cents worth was written with 21st Century technology. Just sayin'.
Just reading posts
Jun 2016
#52
"well regulated" those are the words that are the key to effective control
liberal N proud
Jun 2016
#77
Not really, they relate to an effective militia - 'well-armed and well-trained'...banning
jmg257
Jun 2016
#87
The entire bill of rights was written then. We have to either live with the B of R as written--
merrily
Jun 2016
#78
Ah yes, the old Flintlocks were the only weapons allowed by the 2nd Amendment.
Calista241
Jun 2016
#119