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libodem

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9. If Travon was discovered laying face down

Reply to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:21 PM

Jun 2012

Was he not shot in the back? How is that standing your ground. Hot pursuit, shove and shoot?

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FL Attorney: Zimmerman legal team expected to request immunity hearing, could result in "game over" [View all] Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 OP

...and Mr. Zimmerman will never get a restful night theaocp Jun 2012 #1

Or zeemike Jun 2012 #7

Or ArcticFox Jun 2012 #11

He's not old enough. zeemike Jun 2012 #44

Details details ArcticFox Jun 2012 #159

A Hispanic named Zimmerman in a neo-nazi camp? Seriously? Edweird Jun 2012 #121

I wouldn't have believed it either Lilyeye Jun 2012 #126

Just because they applaud his action doesn't mean they would accept him. Edweird Jun 2012 #128

As I pointed out below SaB2012 Jun 2012 #125

Game over? murielm99 Jun 2012 #2

Zimmerman would be MUCH BETTER OFF in prison. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #3

Comments like these strike me as rather inflammatory and, quire frankly, ignorant SaB2012 Jun 2012 #123

Well.. Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #130

I respect your opinion, but don't agree SaB2012 Jun 2012 #137

Only this time it won't be just L.A. KamaAina Jun 2012 #141

I agree, unfortunately. SaB2012 Jun 2012 #152

Are you prepared? FarPoint Jun 2012 #163

Judges don't live in a vacuum. MADem Jun 2012 #4

Good point, and... Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #6

Three lies. vaberella Jun 2012 #14

I missed that one... Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #15

that's where he really screwed up qazplm Jun 2012 #8

I don't think the defense cares of the reaction in the streets. Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #5

If Travon was discovered laying face down libodem Jun 2012 #9

I don't know. It would fit the Zimmerman statement. vaberella Jun 2012 #12

Martin was shot in the chest... Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #46

He was shot in the chest. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #68

Given the realities of the situation Mairead Jun 2012 #10

Zimmerman has to PROVE that when the 911 operator said "you don't need to do that..." Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #13

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #16

Don't take this the wrong way, but "Be Careful, my ass!" MADem Jun 2012 #17

Hey, GZ had every right to protect his community from that dangerous kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #20

I swear, that is what I'm hearing from this, er, newcomer. MADem Jun 2012 #30

You weren't hearing things, I figured it was a troll. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #50

That seems to be how they really think Lilyeye Jun 2012 #129

Gosh, thank you for your concern!! Where would DU be without kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #19

nice list of talking points Kali Jun 2012 #21

I'll have to check out Sean Hannity's Website for the full list of Trayvon Martin GOP talking points Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #22

Everything listed, 1-5, is unrelated to the event of the shooting but since you are going there.,, FarPoint Jun 2012 #23

Gee--I've got a fight song for old George, then! MADem Jun 2012 #35

Yeah, that's all been dragged over here before and most of it proven to be false. yardwork Jun 2012 #29

Snopes is your friend. Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #37

That couldn't have happened Nancy Waterman Jun 2012 #24

True. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #25

Funny thing about our judicial system, Spoonman Jun 2012 #142

No shit sherlock. GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #18

Part of the procedure nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #26

So, let's say George Zimmerman lied about everything ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #27

Doesn't matter--Zimmerman was TOLD by competent police authority to sit his ass down and wait for MADem Jun 2012 #28

Actually ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #32

And what part of "We don't need you to do that" is unclear? MADem Jun 2012 #38

And there no possible was that another scenario took place? ckoeber Jun 2012 #39

You're trying--and failing--to play word games. MADem Jun 2012 #59

You sound so sure... ckoeber Jun 2012 #62

I think some are dealing with O'Reilly "facts" here. Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #72

Thanks ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #74

I am ENTIRELY sure. And even more so about your motives here. nt MADem Jun 2012 #77

Yet you can't produce the evidence to back up your certainty... ckoeber Jun 2012 #80

You can't produce any "evidence" either. You're just talking a load of crapola. MADem Jun 2012 #95

Right... ckoeber Jun 2012 #97

You support a judicial system where the burden of proof is on the defense? joeglow3 Jun 2012 #147

Where are you getting that crap? MADem Jun 2012 #148

The Dispatch Officer was speaking in layman's terms FarPoint Jun 2012 #45

Your making the same mistake ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #48

I'm not making any mistake or error. FarPoint Jun 2012 #52

Listen to yourself. ckoeber Jun 2012 #53

It's simple.... FarPoint Jun 2012 #55

Again... ckoeber Jun 2012 #56

Prove that George Zimmerman isn't a fucking liar who hid a passport for a quick getaway MADem Jun 2012 #60

So, you have no actual evidence that he followed Trayvon ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #61

You didn't respond to my post. You tried to redirect. Sorry, no sale. nt MADem Jun 2012 #78

I already answered... ckoeber Jun 2012 #82

The burden is on Zimmerman to provide the evidence and prove that he acted in JDPriestly Jun 2012 #108

I respect you opinion... ckoeber Jun 2012 #119

In any event, whatever the outcome, the trial or hearing will be a great solace JDPriestly Jun 2012 #156

Trayvon Martin's body was found well over a hundred feet from Zimmerman's car csziggy Jun 2012 #69

Good question... ckoeber Jun 2012 #75

On the SPD recording you can hear when Zimmerman leaves his car csziggy Jun 2012 #88

All good points... ckoeber Jun 2012 #92

Zimmerman will have to show, I believe, that he reasonably believed that Trayvon JDPriestly Jun 2012 #111

I'm certain the prosecutor would love to speak with you! Spoonman Jun 2012 #143

The fact that he ended up in front of Trayvon while his car was parked yards away. vaberella Jun 2012 #103

X-) Fla_Democrat Jun 2012 #41

We do know one fact for certain - Trayvon Martin is dead and George Zimmerman killed him. yardwork Jun 2012 #31

No question ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #33

IANAL Daalalou Jun 2012 #40

The real kicker ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #42

He's not walking to far at the moment... FarPoint Jun 2012 #47

It seems like folks are just convicting based on how they feel or how the situation looks. ckoeber Jun 2012 #49

Oh b.s. Zimmerman didn't have serious head injuries. If he had, they would have hospitalized him. yardwork Jun 2012 #70

Fair enough... ckoeber Jun 2012 #73

There is no evidence whatsoever that anybody was beating on Zimmerman. yardwork Jun 2012 #136

Easily received from getting out of the vehicle too quickly LanternWaste Jun 2012 #161

Did you join DU to get in on this thread? Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #63

No, but we can't stay focused, huh... ckoeber Jun 2012 #64

I think you should answer the 2nd question. MADem Jun 2012 #81

I asked two basic questions ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #84

Look--you're not the defense and I am not the prosecution. MADem Jun 2012 #85

At least an admission ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #87

You've been here before, haven't you? Your posting style is VERY familiar. nt MADem Jun 2012 #91

Your point is? ckoeber Jun 2012 #93

No tearing--I asked you a simple question. You don't like to answer those, I notice. nt MADem Jun 2012 #94

Questions such as who am I, what are my motives ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #96

No--just your previous screen name(s). nt MADem Jun 2012 #99

Tell you what ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #100

The prosecution has a case. Trayvon Martin is dead, and Zimmerman killed him. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #115

Ahhh.... ckoeber Jun 2012 #122

Yes. Strong points in Zimmerman's favor, but then Zimmerman's first call to JDPriestly Jun 2012 #154

Every time I ask that my post gets hidden :( Electric Monk Jun 2012 #105

Gotta know how to ask :) ckoeber Jun 2012 #106

The poster has admitted that s/he has been here before. nt MADem Jun 2012 #107

Yes, I am a secret spy... /sarc nt ckoeber Jun 2012 #109

Remind me who I work for again, MADem, I need to collect my check for my evil work committed here nt ckoeber Jun 2012 #110

The prosecution "doesn't have much of a case"??? WTF have you been smoking?? How does Zimmerman coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #127

He does have a self-defense case ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #133

What you call 'injuries to the head' were nothing more than minor scalp coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #135

Several clarifications need to be made ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #138

Speculation on your part- LanternWaste Jun 2012 #162

I would not say that Zimmerman did or did not act in self-defense. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #113

Hey, guess WHAT. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #86

And I have not... ckoeber Jun 2012 #89

BULLSHIT. n/t Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #90

He absolutely did--his first post was here. MADem Jun 2012 #79

Oh, so we are now playing McCarthy, eh? ckoeber Jun 2012 #83

That's not an attack, it's a statement of fact. nt MADem Jun 2012 #98

That's it. I am evil. There. Now you can be happy... nt ckoeber Jun 2012 #101

I can at least say the answer to the first one is yes Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #134

"Nice" Democrat VOTER Spoonman Jun 2012 #144

'Democrat' VOTER retention eh? Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #149

Are you sure that the burden of proof is on the prosecutor? JDPriestly Jun 2012 #112

See the link ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #116

Oh look. Someone who signed up to DU to defend Zimmerman. morningfog Jun 2012 #51

Or rather ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #54

Your questions are not accurate. morningfog Jun 2012 #57

OK, and that's shaky at best ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #58

I see where you are coming from. morningfog Jun 2012 #66

True, it is more than zero (0) ... ckoeber Jun 2012 #67

Do you think that Zimmerman will testify? JDPriestly Jun 2012 #118

Yes... ckoeber Jun 2012 #120

Agreed. This could go either way. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #155

Your post demonstrates quite well one of the issues that has to be decided in court. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #117

100% agree... ckoeber Jun 2012 #124

here is what the prosecution can present juniorbonner Jun 2012 #160

Like the Wisconsin recall, righties will end up declaring "victory." michaelcobb Jun 2012 #34

He'd be hunted down for the rest of his life...maybe even the judge. Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #36

Why would the judge hunt him down? Fla_Democrat Jun 2012 #43

2 judges recused themselves before ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #145

So you can shoot someone, and claim self defense... killbotfactory Jun 2012 #65

You can only do that if you are not black, apparently. yardwork Jun 2012 #71

She shot in the direction of her attacker, where there were two children next to him. vaberella Jun 2012 #104

You would get off scott free regardless of the law. hack89 Jun 2012 #139

I agree except for immunity hearing. FL SYG law ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #150

It is going to be an interesting process hack89 Jun 2012 #151

There is no way any sane judge The Second Stone Jun 2012 #76

Judges interperet Laws and Juries Interperet actions. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #132

There are specific situations in the law where an aggressor hack89 Jun 2012 #140

the OP suggests that Florida law entitles the The Second Stone Jun 2012 #157

In Z's Case sarisataka Jun 2012 #102

Zimmerman's apologists always ignore Martin's girlfriend's testimony. shimonitanegi Jun 2012 #114

this has been the situation all along, despite some posters insistence that Zimmerman wouldn't have magical thyme Jun 2012 #131

Maybe he and Casey Anthony will hook up Horse with no Name Jun 2012 #146

I second that libodem Jun 2012 #153

This would be the freepers wet dream to see a murderer of an innocent black teen walk free. Happydayz Jun 2012 #158