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53. That argument only works if Disney specifically made a claim to keep out alligators

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:24 PM

Jun 2016

or if it was the Disney park in France or in California but this Florida which is well known to have such a large alligator population that is located throughout the entire state and they even have a football game event held called the Gator Bowl.

http://www.defenders.org/american-alligator/basic-facts

Population

An estimated 5 million American alligators are spread out across the southeastern United States. Roughly 1.25 million alligators live in the state of Florida.

Range

American alligators occur in Florida, southern Texas, Louisiana and parts of North and South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama. The majority of American alligators inhabit Florida and Louisiana. However, the alligator’s range appears to have been increasing northward in the last few years. The United States is the only nation on earth where both alligators and crocodiles live together.

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"It could have happened to anyone." Mom shares photos of son in spot where gator killed [View all] pnwmom Jun 2016 OP

They were in Disneyland. The only 'gator you expect is a 'croc with a clock' inside . . . Journeyman Jun 2016 #1

Exactly. They're paying through the nose for pretend risks, not real ones. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #2

That photo makes the point. period. cali Jun 2016 #3

Right. "No swimming" doesn't mean "watch out for alligators" -- to most people. pnwmom Jun 2016 #4

It sure doesn't to me. I wouldn't have thought twice about cali Jun 2016 #6

The only time I've been in Florida, the mobile home park I was in had a lake in the middle. . . . Journeyman Jun 2016 #11

+1 ffr Jun 2016 #28

don't forget they also truckedin a sandy beach and enticed people to use it with events, like hollysmom Jun 2016 #103

An alligator warning sign would have prevented this, because the parents would not have tblue37 Jun 2016 #19

Possibly true, but Florida's a big state with alligators ffr Jun 2016 #33

And then the snakes, spiders, bears, birds, crocodiles invading the Everglades, poisonous plants, RKP5637 Jun 2016 #68

Good luck convincing the lynch mob on here of that! ffr Jun 2016 #76

and mud instead of the nice sandy beach they put in would have kept the kids out of the water. hollysmom Jun 2016 #104

It was a family resort with a manmade lake and an inviting manmade white sand beach tblue37 Jun 2016 #96

excellent reply, too bad the parent blamers are not replying to it. hollysmom Jun 2016 #106

They apparently do not read any of the posts in the threads they post their tblue37 Jun 2016 #108

Signs only work if people actually bother to read them and even then it's a coin toss cstanleytech Jun 2016 #35

If there had been signs, and the parents had ignored them Mariana Jun 2016 #77

You mean like how Stefaan Van Turnhout obeyed similar signs? cstanleytech Jun 2016 #82

Don't bet on that hobbit709 Jun 2016 #59

History - It could not have happened to me. ffr Jun 2016 #5

You've been to Florida several times. This family from Nebraska hadn't. pnwmom Jun 2016 #7

I'm confused by your analogy. ffr Jun 2016 #12

Well, you're just so much smarter than they are. pnwmom Jun 2016 #14

Don't go ad Hominem on me! ffr Jun 2016 #21

Disney failed in its legal obligation to warn them of a risk that wasn't obvious pnwmom Jun 2016 #27

So does this mean that a resort located right on the beach in Hawaii with its cstanleytech Jun 2016 #37

Sharks are in all the oceans. Alligators are not universal in man made ponds pnwmom Jun 2016 #43

You keep harping on this man-made thing melman Jun 2016 #52

They don't. But many tourists, including this family from Nebraska, pnwmom Jun 2016 #54

So Disney is at fault for people not educating themselves that Florida has alligators? cstanleytech Jun 2016 #55

Disney is at fault for not disclosing a non-obvious risk. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #58

I agree, in a theme park like Disney, signage should have been there because many people are naive RKP5637 Jun 2016 #70

We've covered this. Alligators are an ambush predator ffr Jun 2016 #74

It is the owner's legal duty to warn guests of of non-obvious dangers pnwmom Jun 2016 #79

Disney is at fault for inviting children to play near lethal wild animals. Doremus Jun 2016 #116

Not necessarily. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #118

Trying to defend the indefensible Doremus Jun 2016 #124

No, merely pointing out that Disney does have a potential defense under the law itself cstanleytech Jun 2016 #125

That argument only works if Disney specifically made a claim to keep out alligators cstanleytech Jun 2016 #53

Disney resort had a legal obligation to disclose any risk that wasn't obvious. pnwmom Jun 2016 #57

Well we will just have to wait and see then, my money is on disney prevailing in the end cstanleytech Jun 2016 #61

I think Disney will want this to be cleared up and will pay. ffr Jun 2016 #75

what's with the lame ass comparisons ? JI7 Jun 2016 #30

what a lame comparison JI7 Jun 2016 #25

I couldn't disagree more. This isn't the Ding Darling Preserve on Sanibel cali Jun 2016 #9

I couldn't disagree with you more ffr Jun 2016 #15

Lots of people are naive. Posting signs that spelled out that there are alligators cali Jun 2016 #23

And the fact that people were warning them shows that it was something many did not expect to see JI7 Jun 2016 #32

But the state parks and national forests in Florida DO post alligator warning signs. pnwmom Jun 2016 #44

Then you're advocating they post signs everywhere ffr Jun 2016 #47

I'm saying at the very least that they should have done what they FINALLY did: pnwmom Jun 2016 #51

If Disney can't handle keeping its customers safe from predatory alligators, blue neen Jun 2016 #80

Amen. WhisCo Jun 2016 #98

Disney apparently already had signs posted. They just didn't say anything about alligators. fishwax Jun 2016 #91

Perfectly stated, and my thought as well. phylny Jun 2016 #97

at this point I have to ask if you are a Disney employee, you seem so hollysmom Jun 2016 #107

I'm sorry, your post doesn't warrant a response. ffr Jun 2016 #109

Disney sells family safe resort. This family wasn't on a swamp tour. Gormy Cuss Jun 2016 #20

Damn right. I don't understand -- at all -- the self-righteous victim blaming going on here ... Hekate Jun 2016 #39

Fallacy ad populum ffr Jun 2016 #71

I have learned from DU's outdoors' culture kentauros Jun 2016 #123

Wrong. They do post signs in Cancun and people have been attacked there. suffragette Jun 2016 #38

So? At least whoever owned that beach warned the visitor of the risk. pnwmom Jun 2016 #46

I'm with you on this. I was countering the other poster's erroneous point. suffragette Jun 2016 #78

Not at Club Med where I've stayed. You could walk right into the lagoon ffr Jun 2016 #50

They should follow the example of elsewhere in Cancun and add them. suffragette Jun 2016 #81

My favorite is, "If attacked, seek immediate medical attention." pangaia Jun 2016 #56

so much self satisfaction going on here. Most people when they go on vacationare trusting the place hollysmom Jun 2016 #105

Smug sense of superiority on full display. Compassion missing completely. CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #122

It didn't just say 'No Swimming' melman Jun 2016 #8

That's not the location in the photos the mother posted. pnwmom Jun 2016 #10

Disney is at fault malaise Jun 2016 #13

I hope not. Disneyland shouldn't need to post signs for biting flies too. ffr Jun 2016 #16

FFS n/t malaise Jun 2016 #18

... ffr Jun 2016 #22

Your reasoning is the kind used by people who wanted to ban warnings on cigarettes. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #31

Define how your analogy fits this argument? ffr Jun 2016 #45

Aren't you special Hekate Jun 2016 #40

You too. ffr Jun 2016 #42

Staying at a resort where you can be eaten Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #66

pointing out the logical fallacies of others, how do you rationalize the two you've made in this on LanternWaste Jun 2016 #99

Which are??? ffr Jun 2016 #100

dude rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #101

Is this your attempt at doing a Straw Man argument? ffr Jun 2016 #111

tell you what we will see how many millions rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #112

Who doesn't appear to know what a Straw Man argument is? ffr Jun 2016 #114

There there my mad bro rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #117

Ad hominum attack on me now ffr Jun 2016 #120

It's spelled "hominem" rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #121

I agree, Disney is at fault Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #65

Here is the actual picture: tblue37 Jun 2016 #17

Looks like alligator habitat to me ffr Jun 2016 #24

Well goody for you Separation Jun 2016 #26

Thanks for the photos. The comments about the "sanctimommies" were good, too. pnwmom Jun 2016 #29

Are there normally alligators in that lagoon? IronLionZion Jun 2016 #34

Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission comment ffr Jun 2016 #41

At the very least, they should have had alligator warning signs instead of pnwmom Jun 2016 #48

No question there and it's not required by law ffr Jun 2016 #62

No. The family that posted the pictures at the OP was a DIFFERENT family. pnwmom Jun 2016 #63

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #69

Following Toddler's Death, New Disney Signs Warn of Alligators IronLionZion Jun 2016 #87

Thanks for posting this. Yes, they were negligent, and they know it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #88

This sign is perfect Quayblue Jun 2016 #90

Some DUers are against posting signs for some reason IronLionZion Jun 2016 #92

I've watched DUers for a while now. Quayblue Jun 2016 #93

That's the best way to keep your sanity around here IronLionZion Jun 2016 #94

Indeed Quayblue Jun 2016 #95

If Disney knew, then they should have signs IronLionZion Jun 2016 #60

You should help them post signs then ffr Jun 2016 #67

I don't understand your position on this IronLionZion Jun 2016 #83

Disney’s policy about warning signs is about to change IronLionZion Jun 2016 #85

The signs include pictures of alligators, which would be understandable pnwmom Jun 2016 #89

Bottom line: Whether you agree that Disney should have posted TheDebbieDee Jun 2016 #36

This family has suffered a terrible wound that will never heal, pnwmom Jun 2016 #49

Agreed. underpants Jun 2016 #64

It's just horrible. They went there to have a good time and instead it was a tragedy. Yes, they will RKP5637 Jun 2016 #72

Same here. Every time I think of it I get unnerved. Also, whenever I'm in Florida, I take a RKP5637 Jun 2016 #73

Same here. I can't stop thinking about it. It is so sad and so horrifyingly awful. tblue37 Jun 2016 #102

All about alligators - highlights from the coloring book for children ffr Jun 2016 #84

Disney should have given that coloring book to all its guests. pnwmom Jun 2016 #86

Gators can move very quickly and the parents were not at fault here Gothmog Jun 2016 #110

Parent shaming aside, how would you have handled the same situation? ffr Jun 2016 #113

I have seen different reports Gothmog Jun 2016 #115

I'll leave this to your deductive thought then ffr Jun 2016 #119