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Hoyt

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43. Fine, Trudeau is free to change environmental laws, although it's really not needed

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:20 PM

Jun 2016

now. That will work, whereas telling American companies they can't do something that Canadian companies can do is a blatant violation of hundreds of trade agreements, that the USA is not even part of.

If you don't want to abide by a trade agreement, rescind it rather than begging to be part of more and bigger agreements.

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Question about the TPP [View all] floppyboo Jun 2016 OP

Read it yourself - we don't need speculation. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #1

Okay, that's one side of the arguement - but doesn't address the if x, then y part of my question floppyboo Jun 2016 #2

No secret panels in TPP. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #3

that's why I put 'secret' in quotes. Can we settle on 'independant'? floppyboo Jun 2016 #5

Why are you against AFL-CIO being able to sue foreign countries over labor violations? Recursion Jun 2016 #15

huh? was that question for me or yellowdog? floppyboo Jun 2016 #16

That was for you. Why do you oppose AFL-CIO being able to sue foreign governments when they violate Recursion Jun 2016 #18

I don't want that at all, and never said as much. floppyboo Jun 2016 #25

and seriously off-topic floppyboo Jun 2016 #17

Something isn't "off-topic" just because you have no positive way to address it. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #29

Uh no- its off topic because it doesn't address the OP and has nothing to do with anything in the OP floppyboo Jun 2016 #34

Here is an interesting take on what would need to change in the wording of the agreement floppyboo Jun 2016 #4

How does this relate to the specific guidelines in TPP? yallerdawg Jun 2016 #6

You wrote: floppyboo Jun 2016 #7

just to add - how will this prevent a analogous repeat of off-shore banking? floppyboo Jun 2016 #9

The title of this OP is very misleading. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #11

It is NOT speculation, any more than your platitudes are. floppyboo Jun 2016 #8

Facts are not "platitudes." yallerdawg Jun 2016 #10

no - YOU cited an article which mentions independant review panels floppyboo Jun 2016 #12

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #13

You're citing speculation from last year? yallerdawg Jun 2016 #19

Did the leaked text change much from the later release? brentspeak Jun 2016 #22

You know the full text is available, right? Recursion Jun 2016 #14

You are kidding, right? floppyboo Jun 2016 #20

"No time to read it... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #21

DU's 'Creative Speculation Group' yallerdawg Jun 2016 #23

Maybe you can ask Hillary what it is in the TTP's wording that she objects so strongly to floppyboo Jun 2016 #24

Her words. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #26

Exactly! So support the nominee and stop pretending everything is peachy. floppyboo Jun 2016 #27

I also support our Democratic President Barack Obama. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #30

Um, Hillary is not exactly a cheerleader for TTP floppyboo Jun 2016 #31

I am praying both are stopped and US pressure does not influence any swhisper1 Jun 2016 #35

These same "tribunals" have been in trade agreements since 1959, even trade Hoyt Jun 2016 #28

Wow - I can't believe 3 people on this thread have read the whole thing! floppyboo Jun 2016 #32

US companies use ISDS (Investor State Dispute Settlement) courts to pollute other countries. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #33

such atrocities would happen daily if they pass swhisper1 Jun 2016 #36

Hasn't happened under NAFTA and hundreds of trade agreements with the same provisions since 1959. Hoyt Jun 2016 #38

they were not written by corporations, they were at the table, but were controlled in those days swhisper1 Jun 2016 #39

There's much more to the story. Canada could not ban MMT under its environmental laws, so they Hoyt Jun 2016 #37

interesting, thank you. It is these nuanced terms that allow the citizens to be screwed swhisper1 Jun 2016 #40

Almost every advanced country is party to TPP or the Trans-Atlantic negotiations. I believe Hoyt Jun 2016 #41

That was under Harper - our Bush. Nothing to be proud about. floppyboo Jun 2016 #42

Fine, Trudeau is free to change environmental laws, although it's really not needed Hoyt Jun 2016 #43

Why didn't Canadian legislators add an MMT ban to CEPA? Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #44