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In reply to the discussion: "It could have happened to anyone." Mom shares photos of son in spot where gator killed [View all]tblue37
(68,406 posts)96. It was a family resort with a manmade lake and an inviting manmade white sand beach
running right up to the water's edge, with bench swings and beach chairs near the water. Families were encouraged to bring their little kids down to the beach at night, during gator feeding hours, for "Beach Night" showings of kids' movies:[/font]
[font color = "blue"][font size = "+1"]***The blue circle in this picture shows where the movie screen is placed: [/font][/font]

[font color = "blue"][font size = "+1"]***Many kids were playing on the beach and wading in the water, not prevented from doing so by the staff, without parents being warned that they could be attacked by alligators that close to the water. Naturally the out of state parents would assume that WDW would not set up such a situation if it were not safe.:[/font][/font]


[font color = "blue"][font size = "+1"]***Bench swings and beach chairs were placed near the water's edge (the picture can't be embedded--you have to follow the link to the web page): [/font][/font]
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/us/alligator-child-florida-orlando-disney.html#modal-lightbox
In myriad ways the resort essentially set these kids up to play by the water, without warning the parents that the lake could harbor alligators, so of course most parents would assume that Disney had made the lake safe for kiddie play, even though it is not suitable for swimming.
Even if the parents know how common alligators are in Florida, most out of staters probably assume, if not told otherwise, that an expensive resort at WDW would have a way to keep them out of the manmade lake and off the manmade beach where the kids play. They wouldn't realize that it is impossible to keep them out. Heck, I am relatively well read on the matter, but I didn't realize that they can climb fences, nor did I realize that they are all over the place in Disney's manmade resort lakes. If I had gone to WDW and had not been specifically told that the resort lakes were full of gators, I would not have expected them to be (though I would have avoided the water just because I know such lakes are dirty).
Just because Floridians know, that doesn't mean that people unfamiliar with gator behavior would know. Furthermore, most people are not so well versed in the minutiae of gator feeding behavior to know that they will lunge out of the water and grab prey, even from several feet away from the water's edge, or that gators are incredibly fast on land, not slow and sluggish.
Nor do most people know that gators have extremely sensitive snouts so the best way to drive them off or get them to drop something they have grabbed is to pound on the top of their snout. The father wrestled the gator to try to save his son, but I am sure he didn't realize that a gator's jaw exerts about 3,000 pounds per square inch of pressure, so it would be absolutely impossible to force the jaws open to save the child. IOW, he needed to pound the gator's snout to get him to maybe drop his prey--sometimes they will actually do that if their snouts are pounded, which is how two kids saved their brother when a gator snatched him some years ago.
But most people who do not live in Florida, even if they know there are a lot of gators there, assume they are in the Everglades or natural lakes, rivers, and canals, not in a manmade lake in an expensive WDW resort, with a lovely white sand beach that seems so obviously intended for kids to play on.
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"It could have happened to anyone." Mom shares photos of son in spot where gator killed [View all]
pnwmom
Jun 2016
OP
They were in Disneyland. The only 'gator you expect is a 'croc with a clock' inside . . .
Journeyman
Jun 2016
#1
The only time I've been in Florida, the mobile home park I was in had a lake in the middle. . . .
Journeyman
Jun 2016
#11
don't forget they also truckedin a sandy beach and enticed people to use it with events, like
hollysmom
Jun 2016
#103
An alligator warning sign would have prevented this, because the parents would not have
tblue37
Jun 2016
#19
And then the snakes, spiders, bears, birds, crocodiles invading the Everglades, poisonous plants,
RKP5637
Jun 2016
#68
and mud instead of the nice sandy beach they put in would have kept the kids out of the water.
hollysmom
Jun 2016
#104
It was a family resort with a manmade lake and an inviting manmade white sand beach
tblue37
Jun 2016
#96
Signs only work if people actually bother to read them and even then it's a coin toss
cstanleytech
Jun 2016
#35
Disney failed in its legal obligation to warn them of a risk that wasn't obvious
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#27
So does this mean that a resort located right on the beach in Hawaii with its
cstanleytech
Jun 2016
#37
So Disney is at fault for people not educating themselves that Florida has alligators?
cstanleytech
Jun 2016
#55
I agree, in a theme park like Disney, signage should have been there because many people are naive
RKP5637
Jun 2016
#70
No, merely pointing out that Disney does have a potential defense under the law itself
cstanleytech
Jun 2016
#125
That argument only works if Disney specifically made a claim to keep out alligators
cstanleytech
Jun 2016
#53
Well we will just have to wait and see then, my money is on disney prevailing in the end
cstanleytech
Jun 2016
#61
Lots of people are naive. Posting signs that spelled out that there are alligators
cali
Jun 2016
#23
And the fact that people were warning them shows that it was something many did not expect to see
JI7
Jun 2016
#32
But the state parks and national forests in Florida DO post alligator warning signs.
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#44
Disney apparently already had signs posted. They just didn't say anything about alligators.
fishwax
Jun 2016
#91
Damn right. I don't understand -- at all -- the self-righteous victim blaming going on here ...
Hekate
Jun 2016
#39
so much self satisfaction going on here. Most people when they go on vacationare trusting the place
hollysmom
Jun 2016
#105
Your reasoning is the kind used by people who wanted to ban warnings on cigarettes. n/t
pnwmom
Jun 2016
#31
pointing out the logical fallacies of others, how do you rationalize the two you've made in this on
LanternWaste
Jun 2016
#99
It's just horrible. They went there to have a good time and instead it was a tragedy. Yes, they will
RKP5637
Jun 2016
#72
Same here. Every time I think of it I get unnerved. Also, whenever I'm in Florida, I take a
RKP5637
Jun 2016
#73
Same here. I can't stop thinking about it. It is so sad and so horrifyingly awful.
tblue37
Jun 2016
#102