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In reply to the discussion: How many of you have ever fired a gun? [View all]aikoaiko
(34,213 posts)166. As a former R&D guy, what do you think of the return of the 1911 in a slightly updated form?
M45A1: The Return of the M1911 .45 ACP?
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When the Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico announced in late July it was awarding a five-year, $22.5 million contract to Colt for roughly 12,000 new M45A1 Close Quarter Battle Pistols, speculation immediately erupted that it might actually be the first indication that the tenure of the U.S. militarys current standard service sidearm, the much-detested, 9mm Beretta, might finally be ending.
Quantico, of course, insists this is not the case at all, that the M45A1s are merely destined for MARSOC, Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, whose elite troops use a wide variety of non-standard weapons, including an earlier MEUSOC M45 version of the M1911, in their deployments. Perhaps if the M45A1 were any other weapon, their explanation might be more readily accepted. But since the M45A1 is a development of the M1911 .45-caliber ACP automatic pistol, its hard not to attach deeper meaning into it.
Probably nothing in the Pentagons long history ever stirred quite as much controversy and anger as its 1985 decision to replace the M1911 with the 9mm M9 Beretta. The M1911 had been in continuous use since before World War I and had reputation as a tough, reliable, hard hitting weapon. In its nearly eighty years in the American military inventory, it had undergone only a few, extremely minor, modifications during the 1920s, stemming from experience gained using it in the trenches.
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When the Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico announced in late July it was awarding a five-year, $22.5 million contract to Colt for roughly 12,000 new M45A1 Close Quarter Battle Pistols, speculation immediately erupted that it might actually be the first indication that the tenure of the U.S. militarys current standard service sidearm, the much-detested, 9mm Beretta, might finally be ending.
Quantico, of course, insists this is not the case at all, that the M45A1s are merely destined for MARSOC, Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, whose elite troops use a wide variety of non-standard weapons, including an earlier MEUSOC M45 version of the M1911, in their deployments. Perhaps if the M45A1 were any other weapon, their explanation might be more readily accepted. But since the M45A1 is a development of the M1911 .45-caliber ACP automatic pistol, its hard not to attach deeper meaning into it.
Probably nothing in the Pentagons long history ever stirred quite as much controversy and anger as its 1985 decision to replace the M1911 with the 9mm M9 Beretta. The M1911 had been in continuous use since before World War I and had reputation as a tough, reliable, hard hitting weapon. In its nearly eighty years in the American military inventory, it had undergone only a few, extremely minor, modifications during the 1920s, stemming from experience gained using it in the trenches.
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Fired a bunch, but grew up and sick of gun yahoos. So not in 40 years. Don't want to either.
Hoyt
Jun 2016
#14
"ram a staff into his face" ya know I thought he was talking about gathering up all the employees...
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2016
#67
When I was a young teenager visiting my aunt and uncle who lived on a citrus ranch
mnhtnbb
Jun 2016
#23
My rural friends and relatives have horrible, bigoted contempt for fools with guns.
hunter
Jun 2016
#186
I grew up in the southern Appalachians. Gun culture was - and is - such a part of life
Glorfindel
Jun 2016
#44
Fired lots of wpns, mostly Army, used M-16 in VN combat, wounded by AK-47 fire. nt
pinboy3niner
Jun 2016
#64
Witnessing the carnage wreaked by small arms in combat is a sobering experience
pinboy3niner
Jun 2016
#118
I know. I'm the other guy, and it was noticed as soon as we first saw the picture.
trackfan
Jun 2016
#224
Of course I have. I grew up in a real shitty neighborhood with a single parent who worked nights.
LeftyMom
Jun 2016
#87
Certainly. Thousands of times over the years....which really isn't that much.
Just reading posts
Jun 2016
#91
I was in the Army as an infantryman. I have fired practically every small arm in the inventory.
kairos12
Jun 2016
#99
I believe that you understand that banning AR-15s will have little if any impact on violence.
Kang Colby
Jun 2016
#171
Yes. Multiple times. And I dont particularly like it. The loud sound and the kick.
AgadorSparticus
Jun 2016
#106
Very unpleasant for me too - I can't shoot a gun without getting a headache
womanofthehills
Jun 2016
#226
Yes, several times over the course of many decades. And we have a few, not counting
Shrike47
Jun 2016
#108
In the Air Force, but not as a civilian. I also threw a few hand grenades in the USAF,...
Binkie The Clown
Jun 2016
#120
I grew up on a farm and hunted frequently. I wish we had much stronger gun regs.
DCBob
Jun 2016
#131
As a former R&D guy, what do you think of the return of the 1911 in a slightly updated form?
aikoaiko
Jun 2016
#166
Black powder is great fun, I actually enjoy shooting a firelock more than an AR-15...
Marengo
Jun 2016
#199
I owned a Kimber Ultra Aegis II and passed the CHL class, tho I never bothered actually getting it.
moriah
Jun 2016
#147
target shooting couple times with a 22....found i can't hit the broad side of a barn
dembotoz
Jun 2016
#153
Yes, and I enjoy practicing, although I don't get to it as often as I need or want to.
Brickbat
Jun 2016
#158
"Every marine is a rifleman". I never considered it recreational or relaxing though.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2016
#165
It's fun. I also like racing go-karts. I don't want to take a NASCAR vehicle on the freeway.
Bucky
Jun 2016
#187
I have. Retired Military, had to maintain marksman for supplemental duty assignments.
haele
Jun 2016
#194
Fired a gun, built an ar-15, worked in reloading industry, carried a gun for work in the past
The Straight Story
Jun 2016
#223
I have. I have fired pistols and rifles. I'm OK with a pistol and a fairly
PatrickforO
Jun 2016
#232
I have fired a handgun and a shotgun. I do not think anyone should own an assault
Pisces
Jun 2016
#242
I own several guns. Haven't fired them in quite some time but I used to go
Downtown Hound
Jun 2016
#243