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cthulu2016

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26. I dislike the focus on the term "fascism"
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 01:33 PM
Jun 2012

These are not really defining traits of fascism. They are universal traits of a modern authoritarian state, and will be found in any such state independent of ostensible ideology.

Take Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia and any Muslim Theocracy and we'll find that the methods and practices are pretty much the same despite the vast differences in ostensible ideology.

This is just how a totalitarian authoritarian state works. (Pharaoh's Egypt was probably much the same.)

Liberalism's historical charm is that it was anti-authoritarian categorically, and was able to condemn both the French Monarchy and the French Revolution.

(The reason the focus on "fascism" as if it were synonymous with authoritarian makes me uncomfortable in this context is that we are still a long way from completely getting over the right vs. left idea that there was a good guy and a bad guy on Germany versus Russia. It's a distorting idea.)

In his history of Europe (called EUROPE) Norman Davies spends a chapter running through a similar list of 17 points, expanded from from Arthur M. Hill's famous 15 points, that I find more interesting than this Lawrence Britt list. (Including the charming bullet point "Gangsterism," in the movement causing disorder and then selling themselves as protection from themselves.)

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Thank you for the reminder. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #1
I hope you are right about Obama... judy Jun 2012 #8
14/14 by my count... CanonRay Jun 2012 #2
Let's help to spread this message far and wide. It's precisely the ones who have fallen for Cal33 Jun 2012 #3
Oh, it is not my message judy Jun 2012 #6
Many thanks. Cal33 Jun 2012 #7
K&R. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #4
OMG libodem Jun 2012 #5
Nothing new under the sun siligut Jun 2012 #9
I wonder how many people read this list every day and realize they are living in it? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #10
I again recommend reading Alexamder Cockburn's article "So Who's the Fascist Here?" rhett o rick Jun 2012 #11
People jump all over Cockburn but I've read him for years and he's byeya Jun 2012 #47
I feel bad for the people that have their fingers in their ears, eyes closed, rhett o rick Jun 2012 #48
How about a Holocaust, for good measure ????? Mustellus Jun 2012 #12
Very true. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #44
this sounds liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #13
While I find this list useful and generally accurate, it by no means is coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #14
I thought you were going to post the... SoutherDem Jun 2012 #15
If we are living under fascism, is Obama = Hitler? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #16
that's what I wondered too hfojvt Jun 2012 #18
Thanks for posting this mathematic Jun 2012 #17
Really? Only "1 or 2" of the above? annabanana Jun 2012 #19
Yes, really. mathematic Jun 2012 #28
You're drunk on Kool-Aid Doctor_J Jun 2012 #32
Man, I don't even own a TV. mathematic Jun 2012 #33
Once Republicans get the helm again we'll be barrelling right back towards fascism. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #41
The U.S. and Europe do NOT have a "free market capitalist system". daaron Jun 2012 #54
What's with posters around here. mathematic Jun 2012 #59
I'm not sure what's worse. Someone upthread assuming you watch TV. daaron Jun 2012 #61
Only 1 or 2?? Get out from under that rock. We meet all 14 criteria kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #21
I wish it was just a rock. mathematic Jun 2012 #29
It's possible to see only 1 or 2 of the 14 conditions Creideiki Jun 2012 #64
Who is this Lawrence/Laurence Britt? frazzled Jun 2012 #20
Given he is not the only one who has discussed this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #22
"First of all, there is no 'Dr. Lawrence Britt'." Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #23
So the war on women's reproductive rights is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #24
What's funny about this is that Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #25
I dislike the focus on the term "fascism" cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #26
Ok, forget Mr. Britt. Here is another definition judy Jun 2012 #70
Liberty Forum? MineralMan Jun 2012 #27
Anyone know when this list was compiled? Doctor_J Jun 2012 #30
Nope. From my search, the writer doesn't even exist MineralMan Jun 2012 #31
See Post 23 (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #34
Thanks for the info! MineralMan Jun 2012 #35
Suits China or the USSR, hardly fascist. Igel Jun 2012 #36
We are still in the early phase of fascism, but it is here. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #40
Scary. This is why I find it hard to vote for Republicans. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #37
Flag Day is on the 14th of June. Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #38
Welcome to DU. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #42
I can't stand the American flag. Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #45
Let me know if you need a suitcase NoPasaran Jun 2012 #50
OK, then. How can we help you emigrate? MineralMan Jun 2012 #51
Uh-huh. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #53
Yeah,life isn't fair because everything is rigged... Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #58
So.... to cowardly to fight, The Doctor. Jun 2012 #68
I have been on 8 marches for the occupy movement . Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #73
The more you speak, the less credible you seem. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #74
Here we are! Describes us to a tee. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #39
Point by point... Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #43
Nice attempt at the illusion of parity. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #46
So your response is... Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #60
Not even close. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #62
Thanks for the warm welcome... Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #63
What is it about this point: The Doctor. Jun 2012 #65
Yes, that must be it... Cave_Johnson Jun 2012 #66
That was called a "Question". The Doctor. Jun 2012 #67
So, you must PM me your insults. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #69
Are you a member of a conservative website? Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #72
Well if it ain't a fait accompli then it doesn't exist then lunatica Jun 2012 #49
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #55
Fraudulent elections, yes, we do know the scale. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #56
It's Just A Scary Point In Time For The US. colsohlibgal Jun 2012 #52
This old chestnut is only relevent when a repuke is president. n/t hughee99 Jun 2012 #57
The tree of Liberty must be refreshed cbrer Jun 2012 #71
Who is DOCTOR Britt? PosterChild Aug 2014 #75
Whoop. Thete it is. N/T 7wo7rees Aug 2014 #76
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