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yallerdawg

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21. I explained one reason why Democrats oppose this proposal.

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:02 PM

Jun 2016

This NRA-sponsored proposal.

Senators right now are explaining how difficult it would be for the FBI to pull all that together and meet a 'probable cause' mandate which Cornyn also stresses in his amendment.

In effect, the only 'suspected terrorists' on these lists would have sufficient evidence to be charged with a crime, rather than questionable behaviors and contacts which create a suspicion, the basis of the 'suspected terrorist' designation.

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A look at the 4 gun bills up for vote in Senate [View all] yallerdawg Jun 2016 OP

On the "no fly, no buy" will people be notified of being on the list and being able to appeal? aikoaiko Jun 2016 #1

Will "people" be notified? yallerdawg Jun 2016 #4

There have been people on the no fly list with no ties to terrorism at all. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #6

You know Senator Kennedy ended up on the list right? Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #13

Senator Kennedy was never on a terrorist list. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #26

He was on the no-fly list and hassled every time he flew for several weeks Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #29

We have to get it right 100% of the time. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #32

No we need checks and balances because we don't get it right 100% Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #37

People need lancer78 Jun 2016 #16

The Orlando shooter (I refuse to add to his notoriety by using his name) had a weapon permit Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #27

Regarding the Orlando shooter. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #33

Or hold sensitive jobs? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #36

Not every name on the list is investigated like he is Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #39

Hey, that's what John Cornyn is saying in the Senate right now! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #40

Due process is always important. Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #34

'Due process' is to protect us from arbitrary application of government authority. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #38

Like putting your name on a secret list? NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #45

You mean like the Bush secret lists Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #54

The terrorist watchlist is a "rightwing conservative Republican" creation! Dr. Strange Jun 2016 #56

Letting them know, defeats the purpose! scscholar Jun 2016 #52

Wow the one from John Cornyn makes sense! Initech Jun 2016 #2

Democrats don't like Cornyn's proposal... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #5

Oh so it's really doing nothing then. Initech Jun 2016 #8

There are usually amendments and 'poison pill' proposals... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #11

Not true Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #14

I explained one reason why Democrats oppose this proposal. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #21

Not really. Look at the standard for a restraining or vs arrest Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #22

You are supporting the NRA/Republican argument. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #28

I'm supporting protecting due process Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #31

A warrant for a search can be gotten in as little as an hour. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #25

You can't do a comprehensive investigation in 3 days. n/t Chan790 Jun 2016 #42

It's just a decision to block the sale. It isn't a criminal trial. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #44

That's a bit hyperbolic. Chan790 Jun 2016 #46

If you want to change the background check laws, shreadding our 5th Amendment isn't the way to do it NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #47

I'd much rather extend the term-of-time to conduct the check to 30 days. Chan790 Jun 2016 #49

Changing the max time to 30 days is reasonable in non-clear cut cases. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #50

They shou don't have to investigate they have all the evidence they used to put them on the list Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #53

That's what I was going to say... Chan790 Jun 2016 #41

that's the point of it Skittles Jun 2016 #60

At least they're talking about it for a change Johonny Jun 2016 #3

If we can't ban military type weapons/equipment kacekwl Jun 2016 #7

By all means, let's take Bush's sarisataka Jun 2016 #9

Can we make common sense proposals... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #10

I am completely in favor sarisataka Jun 2016 #12

'Due process' ls what added them to the watch list! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #15

That's simply not true Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #17

How did "due process" lancer78 Jun 2016 #18

There is no due process sarisataka Jun 2016 #23

"Due Process" couldn't determine WHICH Edward Kennedy. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #30

Again, Edward Kennedy was never on a watch list yallerdawg Jun 2016 #35

Did I mention "watch list?" Those making lists aren't very good at it... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #43

He was on the no fly list Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #55

Considering 99% lancer78 Jun 2016 #19

I credit that to the insufficiently-short window to perform the check. Chan790 Jun 2016 #48

It's illegal to do a subjective background check for a purchase. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #51

I can get a 10 second credit report n/t lancer78 Jun 2016 #57

How I'd vote if I were a Senator davidn3600 Jun 2016 #20

Just a reminder! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #58

Welp there goes the rest of the bill of rights. Matt_R Jun 2016 #59