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jtuck004

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5. "Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good" Voltaire.

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:29 AM

Jun 2016

Except when it is convenient.

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Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas pushed a measure that would allow the government to delay a gun sale to a suspected terrorrist for 72 hours, but require prosecutors to go to court to show probable cause to block the sale permanently. The National Rifle Associated backed the legislation, but it failed in a final vote of 53 to 47.

The fourth and final vote involved a measure by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to keep people on a government terrorism watch list or other suspected terrorists from buying guns. The Justice Department endorsed her legislation, but it also failed with a final vote count of 47 to 53.
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This is like hearing your favorite team lost on Tuesday, 6 to 4. Then they lost on Friday 4 to 6.

You start to sense a pattern.

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Why didn't we pass the GOP no-fly-no-buy bill? [View all] Recursion Jun 2016 OP

Well... Scootaloo Jun 2016 #1

The "no fly, no buy" bill had an appeals process. EL34x4 Jun 2016 #17

Only 3 business days though n/t lancer78 Jun 2016 #38

Call me cynical, but I think some elected Democrats just want an issue BlackLivesMatter Jun 2016 #2

.+1 840high Jun 2016 #3

I won't call you cynical ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #4

It is not 72 hours lancer78 Jun 2016 #39

Even better. Straw Man Jun 2016 #45

"don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #6

Oh, I know that; I've worked on K St Recursion Jun 2016 #9

I agree the Cornyn bill did not seem bad, though I think a week would be a better time period. Amishman Jun 2016 #15

Their constituents are lancer78 Jun 2016 #40

"Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good" Voltaire. jtuck004 Jun 2016 #5

the issue was a 72 hour timeline to present evidence. it's not realistic Exilednight Jun 2016 #7

So, nothing is better than 72 hours? Recursion Jun 2016 #8

it's not realistic. Republicans have a habit of passing such bills Exilednight Jun 2016 #10

And, not to, as they say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #31

I agree that there has to be some form of due process. It just Exilednight Jun 2016 #33

It is my position that a solution... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #44

Not 72 hours lancer78 Jun 2016 #42

Those warrants being issued are after months of Exilednight Jun 2016 #46

One reason, as explained by Corey Booker, is that the FBI would have to go to court Vinca Jun 2016 #11

And you're against that? Recursion Jun 2016 #12

The point is, if they don't have probable cause to arrest the person outright, Vinca Jun 2016 #13

If they can't show why the person is a probable terrorist, how can we deny the gun purchase at all? NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #19

I think they should also be able to purchase airline tickets over the Internet and then be able Vinca Jun 2016 #22

"Inconvenience of the few" - sounds like an excuse for apartheid or segregation... NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #27

All I can say is I will err on the favor of preserving life. Vinca Jun 2016 #30

It's not about guns at all. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #34

Yes, it is about guns and a number of other things. Vinca Jun 2016 #35

And that somehow justifies allowing a secret list to be used to deprive a citizen of any right. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #36

If 1 person's right is violated in that they can't immediately buy a gun and it saves 50 lives, it's Vinca Jun 2016 #37

NO - I love my CIVIL LIBERTIES. I oppose a Police State! NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #41

No, lancer78 Jun 2016 #43

Exactly. Justice Jun 2016 #21

There are plenty of times when a prosecutor can meet probably cause for arrest, but not aikoaiko Jun 2016 #28

That's a BS excuse. You can often get an court order like a restraining order with evidence that Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #32

I watched the gun sense debates tofay on C-span and underthematrix Jun 2016 #14

And I guess nothing SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #16

i think the Collins which addresses the concerns of both GOPs and DEMS and is underthematrix Jun 2016 #24

It looks like the upcoming Collins amendment might be a compromise aikoaiko Jun 2016 #18

Yes. It's a start and a good start underthematrix Jun 2016 #25

And what's the end? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #26

No, GOP bill was idiotic. Justice Jun 2016 #20

Yep. BootinUp Jun 2016 #23

Letting "Them Win" doesn't elect more Democrats One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #29