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MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:18 PM Jun 2016

Why ban the guns that kill the least amount of people, and ignore the ones that kill the most? [View all]

Assault weapon/mass shooting deaths make the most headlines, but their numbers pale in comparison to single victim handgun murders. Why are we letting our psyche/emotions/fear rule our political actions instead of 1) our ability to do math and 2) our sincere desire to save the most lives we can?

In 2013, 11,000+ people were murdered with guns in non-mass shootings (80% of which were handguns).

137 died in mass shootings (most of which were probably perpetrated with a combination of handguns and assault weapons).

We also know that the 1994 assault weapons ban had almost no impact on gun violence, as little assault weapons violence was being committed by legal owners anyway (and illegal owners weren't going to change their behavior due to a ban), and handgun violence (already responsible for the vast majority of gun violence) continued at the same pace.

All gun deaths are tragic, but there are, at a minimum, probably 7,000 more lives we can save by moving on handguns. The NRA is going to fight it no matter what we do; why are we taking the cowardly, least impactful approach YET AGAIN???

This is so damn frustrating.

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How do we know the AWB was a failure? NobodyHere Jun 2016 #1
Can you point to anything in the AWB anoNY42 Jun 2016 #5
The increase when the ban was overturned was in mass murder Warpy Jun 2016 #12
"Those things" never left the gun stores or streets during the 1990's NickB79 Jun 2016 #17
This makes no sense anoNY42 Jun 2016 #18
Adam Lanza's rifle was legal to buy during the first AWB hack89 Jun 2016 #33
hand guns and knives weren't addressed by the AWB Press Virginia Jun 2016 #6
Most people involved think it was a failure TeddyR Jun 2016 #9
Failure, maybe, because it didn't go far enough or long enough. That can be corrected. Hoyt Jun 2016 #14
Perhaps TeddyR Jun 2016 #15
Good idea. Why not move against both semi-auto handguns and rifles? leveymg Jun 2016 #2
Furthermore, anoNY42 Jun 2016 #3
One step at a time, semi-auto pistols next. An AWB will force many gun stores/shows to shut down Hoyt Jun 2016 #4
Would love to read more: bighart Jun 2016 #29
Handgun ownership is Constitutionally protected, as per the Heller decision. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #7
Low Hanging Fruit metroins Jun 2016 #8
That's what it feels like. What will score us a political win, not what will help us save lives...nt MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #10
That certainly seems to be the driver bighart Jun 2016 #30
Gun deaths were greatly reduced from 1994 until now... scscholar Jun 2016 #11
Except everyone who actually TeddyR Jun 2016 #16
Can you clarify the data source that backs up that claim? nt MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #21
Adam Lanza's rifle was legal under the first AWB hack89 Jun 2016 #34
Crime bill with mass incarceration - woo hoo. jmg257 Jun 2016 #39
Emotion... ileus Jun 2016 #13
I would like to know which of these homicides B2G Jun 2016 #19
I think most non-mass shooting murders (the vast majority of gun deaths) are illegal guns... MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #35
So if the vast majority of gun deaths are done with illegally obtained guns B2G Jun 2016 #36
OP is right! We need to ban handguns as well. mwrguy Jun 2016 #20
And yet we're never going to. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #22
That's an easy one: Nevernose Jun 2016 #23
Also not going to happen. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #24
We are all prophets of our own biases, and read the futures which best validate our desires... LanternWaste Jun 2016 #27
My biases (and I certainly have them) aside, I find the prospect of the US Congress outlawing Just reading posts Jun 2016 #37
2nd amendment fundamentalism. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #25
You have to create a climate for gun control La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #26
The slippery slope is precisely what Absolutists object to maxsolomon Jun 2016 #31
Why have the ACA when we should have held out for 100% free coverage? Hekate Jun 2016 #28
That's a fair point, but wouldn't the "good" be preventing 80% of deaths, not 20%? MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #32
For similar reasons to why the mentally ill are targeted for greater and greater surveillance HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #38
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