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morningfog

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76. Supported or represented Hale? There is a difference, you know.

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 07:59 PM

Jun 2012

Were we using drones in countries other than Iraq in 2003?

I don't see drones as separate from any other act of war. If I were to support a war with a given population, I would not see drones as anything different or special from piloted bombings. I have a problem with drones in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and other places because I see them as acts of war when war has not been declared. There are issues of war by the Executive Branch/CIA on sovereign nations. I didn't support any action in Iraq. Nor do I support any actions in Pakistan, Yemen or Somalia (or Afghanistan).

You say Greenwald supported the Iraq War. Okay. If he supported drones in Iraq, that is a consistent position with support for the overall war. Are you suggesting he supported drone strikes on other countries, like Pakistan and Yemen while he was supporting the Ira war? Did the US carry out drone strikes in countries other than Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003?

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Is Glenn Greenwald trying to save face? [View all] ProSense Jun 2012 OP

There's no shock to GG being a hypocrite. n/t Chan790 Jun 2012 #1

Everyone knows, because he told people, that he initially supported the Iraq war and was then sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #2

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #3

Interesting ProSense Jun 2012 #7

Failed attempt to twist my words. Look again. YOU claimed that it was villainous sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #26

No ProSense Jun 2012 #28

Oh there's much more, that is just the lightweight stuff which I though you might be interested in. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #30

Haha, that's perfect. I would place him there, actually. joshcryer Jun 2012 #34

BBI was called "highly respected" too...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #44

Exactly. Bobbie Jo Jun 2012 #64

You're 'naut' series are you? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #154

Irony. You keep using that word... SidDithers Jun 2012 #155

Well said. woo me with science Jun 2012 #8

Well he is given credit for acknowledging his mistake about the war. pennylane100 Jun 2012 #18

He wasn't comfortable with his support as he explains in his book, because things struck him as not sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #29

Yes, I also remember the awful time when Bush became president. pennylane100 Jun 2012 #52

I've seen people throw Juan Cole under the bus for much less than Greenwald. joshcryer Jun 2012 #32

I still don't get how anyone with half a brain could have supported that shit. cali Jun 2012 #50

You are saying Greenwald was more gullible than EVERYONE WHO WAS ON DU. Robb Jun 2012 #69

GG should have done what John Kerry did in 2004, i.e., say he would still have coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #73

thank god for Glenn; thanks for the thread btw inna Jun 2012 #4

Oh I threw Juan Cole under the bus long before that, when he turned around and supported the Iraq sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #39

great post (as always), Sabrina; i'm sure it was meant to be directed at someone else inna Jun 2012 #58

Thank you, Glenn Greenwald. nt woo me with science Jun 2012 #5

What purpose does it serve to continually attack liberal journalists? girl gone mad Jun 2012 #6

Well, ProSense Jun 2012 #9

Yes, I consider Greenwald to be a liberal journalist. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #10

This ProSense Jun 2012 #11

For example, ProSense Jun 2012 #12

You disagree with Greenwald on one position: therefore he is not a liberal journalist? girl gone mad Jun 2012 #16

Wait, ProSense Jun 2012 #18

Can you answer the question, please? girl gone mad Jun 2012 #79

Greewald is a LIBERTARIAN writer, not a left-wing writer GarroHorus Jun 2012 #81

What is this, the schoolyard? girl gone mad Jun 2012 #85

Put Greewnald's picture right on top of Gingrich GarroHorus Jun 2012 #90

That would be an inaccurate placement.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #99

The Civil Liberties Union had the exact same position as Greenwald on Citizens United. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #37

Would be kinda hard for him to comment on Wisconsin... SidDithers Jun 2012 #45

And so did the ACLU GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #49

I suspect that the attack on Greenwald is motivated by jealousy. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #40

GG is a Libertarian, not a liberal, writer frazzled Jun 2012 #48

Wasn't he disbarred? n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #61

Not that I know of. /nt frazzled Jun 2012 #63

I did a search and discovered/remembered his infamy as an attorney, Defense attorney for a Neo-Nazi GarroHorus Jun 2012 #65

That's a hell of a sliming you posted there Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #147

Yeah, the truth is now "sliming" GarroHorus Jun 2012 #148

So, lies and what can be best described as half-truths are now truth Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #149

TRUTH: Greenwald defended HAle GarroHorus Jun 2012 #152

You've made inuendo an art form Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #153

That would be a righteous SmackDown! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #161

Only if you believe that the accused are not entitled to a defense and Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #164

Truth: Greenwald defended Hale in a First Amendment civil rights case... Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #163

He isn't attacking a liberal journalist. He's attacking a FAKE liberal journalist. n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #60

You don't even seem to know what a liberal is.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #109

Perhaps you should ask Glenn. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #112

If you don't want someone writing these truths about Obama, talk to Obama about not Lionessa Jun 2012 #13

There is ProSense Jun 2012 #15

You mean you will express the opinions your boss tells you to Hillary is 45 Jun 2012 #35

Welcome back? That's quite a personal attack on a longtime DU member from someone who..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #41

I notice you are not saying I'm wrong Hillary is 45 Jun 2012 #51

I'm saying ProSense Jun 2012 #103

Thank goodness for the TOS. A jury let the post stand, but Skinner took out the trash! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #125

You still didn't explain how you know the inner workings and posting histories of DU members..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #108

Come back soon, again... SidDithers Jun 2012 #46

A jury let this stand...unbelievable. nt sufrommich Jun 2012 #53

It's what virtually everyone believes.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #77

It must be gratifying Bobbie Jo Jun 2012 #78

You probably can find better things to do with your time.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #83

And this post was different, how? Bobbie Jo Jun 2012 #89

+1,000,000,000,000 n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #92

I was responding to the fact that a jury let the post stand. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #105

Is this ProSense Jun 2012 #106

Its simple analysis based on all available evidence. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #114

So ProSense Jun 2012 #115

Yeah, I see what you did there. Bobbie Jo Jun 2012 #143

And by "virtually everyone" you mean the anti-Obama left at DU? How's this? Why don't we all... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #142

"virtually everyone"? sufrommich Jun 2012 #146

I wish ProSense Jun 2012 #102

Ha! You Feel Good. politicasista Jun 2012 #157

Changing your mind when facts change isn't hypocrisy. However, Lionessa Jun 2012 #56

Is there a reason you obsess on journalists and bloggers who fall to the left of you? LeftyMom Jun 2012 #14

Is there ProSense Jun 2012 #17

Sorry, double posted. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #18

And ProSense Jun 2012 #22

Starting a skillion threads about some journalist who offended you is obsessive. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #23

Do you ProSense Jun 2012 #25

"some journalist who offended you is obsessive". You probably didn't intent it, but.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #31

Nobody's saying you have to like anybody. LeftyMom Jun 2012 #18

Seriously, ProSense Jun 2012 #24

"Seriously, consider not focusing on me." girl gone mad Jun 2012 #117

Wait ProSense Jun 2012 #121

So then that is your objective. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #124

What? ProSense Jun 2012 #127

and some DUers seem to have an obsession with Prosense. go figure. dionysus Jun 2012 #55

Glenn who? grantcart Jun 2012 #27

You're a brave soul for tangling with the "Leave Glenn Alone" contingency! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #33

what defense of scott walker dsc Jun 2012 #62

That's just nasty n/t politicasista Jun 2012 #158

Thank you. We try. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #160

You all do good politicasista Jun 2012 #162

Greenwald Derangement Syndrome whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #36

I'm with Greenwald on his criticisms of Obama. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #38

Spam deleted by Morning Dew (MIR Team) Thomas4 Jun 2012 #42

K&R. Greenwald is a clown...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #43

Sooner or later that Third Way Shit will stick... Junkdrawer Jun 2012 #47

He Believed Their Lies????? otohara Jun 2012 #54

Should Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or John Kerry be chastised for their commentary on Obama? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #57

Greenwald is a Republican in "liberal" clothing GarroHorus Jun 2012 #59

You've just proven that you're not to be taken seriously. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #87

Iraq war supporter and opposes anything Obama says or does GarroHorus Jun 2012 #91

+1. "Add defender of a Neo-Nazi to the list and the fucker is anything BUT liberal." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #119

I.am firmly convinced.Glenn Greenwald is a Libertairian White Supremacist GarroHorus Jun 2012 #128

And guess what? I agree with you. His affection for Ron Paul style politics is a dead giveaway. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #131

+1,000 n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #135

Glenn's a blowhard nitwit, like much of the professionally-opinionated class struggle4progress Jun 2012 #66

Character assassination OP. Glen Greenwald is a journalist and nothing more. morningfog Jun 2012 #67

He is NOT a journalist GarroHorus Jun 2012 #70

lol. morningfog Jun 2012 #72

He supported drones,... GarroHorus Jun 2012 #74

Supported or represented Hale? There is a difference, you know. morningfog Jun 2012 #76

He supported every drone strike of Bush in more countries than IRaq GarroHorus Jun 2012 #80

Link to support of drone strikes outside of Iraq? morningfog Jun 2012 #94

No difference, IMO n/t GarroHorus Jun 2012 #95

Did you not read my previous post? morningfog Jun 2012 #97

Rec Number23 Jun 2012 #68

It's not surprising from a guy so connected to Matthew Hale, Neo-Nazi murderer. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #71

The ACLU also defended NAZIs I suppose they are racist too. dsc Jun 2012 #75

The ACU is not a right wing Libertarian organization. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #82

actually the ACU (American Conservative Union) is a right wing organization dsc Jun 2012 #116

Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #130

He doesn't need to. He's doing his job. Octafish Jun 2012 #84

All he writes are LIES GarroHorus Jun 2012 #93

Really? Here he discusses Telcom immunity and domestic spying with Cass Sunstein... Octafish Jun 2012 #98

A paid, amoral shill with the mind of a savant & the heart of a robot DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #86

Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #96

Thus far ProSense Jun 2012 #100

The journalist with an opinion has blood on his hands.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #107

Hey ProSense Jun 2012 #110

I would think that the relevance of the comparison was obvious. Marr Jun 2012 #122

"he comes off like a gullible tool who fell for Bush's lies" girl gone mad Jun 2012 #123

What ProSense Jun 2012 #129

Let me ask you this, prosense.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #132

Unlike you ProSense Jun 2012 #133

"I'm not "defending crappy policy" I'm criticizing a smug, self-righteous and hypocritical asshole." girl gone mad Jun 2012 #139

Again, ProSense Jun 2012 #140

It literally Blows my mind that the post calling you an "amoral paid shill" Number23 Jun 2012 #141

I dont mind you calling Greenwald or other public figure names, but I am hoping you are rhett o rick Jun 2012 #111

Anyone who looked at it rationally and thought it through knew there were no WMD quaker bill Jun 2012 #88

My rational was that if Bush said they had WMD then I was convinced they didnt. It's actually rhett o rick Jun 2012 #113

By that point I had stopped listening to Bush at all quaker bill Jun 2012 #144

Thank you for this post GarroHorus Jun 2012 #101

GG lost all credibility when he gave a thumbs-up to the Iraq War and Citizens United. AtomicKitten Jun 2012 #104

How can you attack a liberal journalist for something you excuse in Democratic politicians? Marr Jun 2012 #118

Conversely, ProSense Jun 2012 #126

How can you attack a liberal journalist for something you excuse in Democratic politicians? Marr Jun 2012 #134

You ProSense Jun 2012 #136

Again, you don't answer. Marr Jun 2012 #137

It's there, you're simply ignoring it. n/t ProSense Jun 2012 #138

Greenwald is a right wing turd masquerading as left to enlist the useful idiots alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #120

Raw Story apologized to Greenwald Enrique Jun 2012 #145

Good for them. ProSense Jun 2012 #150

if anyone from Salon slimed anyone on Twitter Enrique Jun 2012 #151

Well now that we know one of the sources of all this vitriol, that site where a banned troll from sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #159

Kick politicasista Jun 2012 #156