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140. Hmm... even with Loop Quantum Gravity, I guess?

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 08:35 PM

Jun 2012

Bummer. Looks like I'll have my hands full counting all the colors.

I suspect that time and space and gravity will turn out to be granular, but as long as there is anything truly analog it makes a simulation hard for me to imagine.

What does that do to multiple universe theories? I guess there is always an underlying quantified process producing a wave the the potential waves from a given event are quantifiable, though waves themselves are not.

(By truly analog I just mean an infinity of states. No minimum unit.)

I will bet an internet beer that they will someday announce that there is a wave quanta and that the rainbow has exactly 18.4 x 10 to the 16th colors or some such.

The pi question was mostly a joke... amusing because the the photon couldn't ever "know" its own wavelength.

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Hmm... even with Loop Quantum Gravity, I guess? cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #140

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