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uppityperson

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7. I agree. I want gun control, but ignoring due process is not the way to go about it.

Reply to davidn3600 (Original post)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 12:08 AM

Jun 2016

Education and anger&hate management needs to be part of it also.

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So if you are wrongly put on a watch list, how do you get off it? [View all] davidn3600 Jun 2016 OP

Haven't you heard? Due process doesn't matter any more, and secret government lists are good. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #1

How can this be sarcasm, Lunabell Jun 2016 #44

The ACLU agrees: LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #2

so lets say you all are right... lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #3

Implement a system that safeguards due process LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #5

Same way you prevent the next tornado. JayhawkSD Jun 2016 #8

yea... more mass shootings because freedum. lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #11

Are you.... Corporate666 Jun 2016 #13

conflate away lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #14

So you're willing to let hundreds of thousands die Corporate666 Jun 2016 #17

Again, for the equivalency challenged lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #18

"You gun nutz will never ever understand logic" I understand situational ethics palmed off as logic friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #35

Fuck your "right" to own a gun... just fuck it. lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #41

Fuck all attempts to limit rights via demagoguery and misrepresentation friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #62

Now who is putting words into someones mouth lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #64

Well, Heller was upheld 8-0 in March. Here's the decision, it's not a long one: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #66

I guess I can now run right out and buy my fully automatic machine gun lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #67

*Again* with the strawman arguments... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #72

well said, plus renate Jun 2016 #42

So you have a "right" to get drunk, operate a motor vehicle, and kill people? oneshooter Jun 2016 #87

No, I can't force you to drink. JayhawkSD Jun 2016 #90

and deaths by guns lancer78 Jun 2016 #25

well alrighty then lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #28

You attribute a sentiment to your interlocutor they did not, in fact, express. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #33

"the subject is guns and gun nuts... " Lonusca Jun 2016 #83

Well said. I've thought about the speed limit thing myself. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #82

my sister and brother-in-law lancer78 Jun 2016 #24

did they have a drivers license? lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #26

The drunk driver who killed my cousin sarisataka Jun 2016 #39

I'm so sorry about your cousin renate Jun 2016 #43

most likely we will solve the problem of drunk drivers lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #45

except for newtown lancer78 Jun 2016 #47

your are only thinking of mass shootings... lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #50

Most are suicides Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #79

Thank you sarisataka Jun 2016 #57

no, he did not lancer78 Jun 2016 #46

and where was this? lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #48

this was 15 years ago in south dakota. lancer78 Jun 2016 #49

don't know the situation there lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #52

the big problem lancer78 Jun 2016 #51

paranoid kooks. lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #53

"paranoid"...for taking her at her word? Or you at *your* word, for that matter?: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #63

the taliban are much better armed than your average gun nut lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #65

Start going after civilians with the military, and that will change in a hurry friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #68

ok, you can hack them lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #70

Y'see ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #69

The New Jersey legislation was a mistake lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #71

"What are they afraid of?" Ask the NRA, I'm not a member and thoroughly dislike them. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #73

True. Straw Man Jun 2016 #78

And yet ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #56

Ok... you do realize that nothing is going to stop every act of lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #59

Here's the thing ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #61

but the only way to know that someone is a felon lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #75

No. Straw Man Jun 2016 #76

There's no doubt about it. Straw Man Jun 2016 #10

due process... lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #21

So ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #54

for people buying something that I don't think they should be allowed to have anyway lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #55

Please clarify. Straw Man Jun 2016 #58

A poorly thought out and unethical and illegal solution... TipTok Jun 2016 #12

and the panderers lancer78 Jun 2016 #27

Well, this wouldn't have prevented Orlando (he wasn't on the no-fly list) Recursion Jun 2016 #15

The purpose has little to do with preventing one mass shooting lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #16

but democrats f'ed up lancer78 Jun 2016 #29

gun nut t-baggers don't do so well lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #32

poor example lancer78 Jun 2016 #34

if I was a democrat running against a moderate repuke or a trump wannabe lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #36

depends on lancer78 Jun 2016 #38

Different Problems One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #80

That's incorrect in just about every way. A 'spree killer' is defined by multiple locations Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #88

Excuse me Rampage Killer One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #94

The lists were Bush Co's idea sarisataka Jun 2016 #4

You call Obama. He's got this. bigwillq Jun 2016 #6

it is sad lancer78 Jun 2016 #30

I agree. I want gun control, but ignoring due process is not the way to go about it. uppityperson Jun 2016 #7

You don't even have to be on the list. JayhawkSD Jun 2016 #9

This ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ !!! SeattleVet Jun 2016 #20

For example, if your name was something relatively common, like Paul Ryan? nt Electric Monk Jun 2016 #19

Your ability to buy a gun would be delayed for a while lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #22

I wouldn't have a problem with that. I think, if you need to buy a gun in a hurry, you're probably Electric Monk Jun 2016 #23

or are on lancer78 Jun 2016 #31

Fedex will overnight it to you lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #77

The short answer is, you don't. HubertHeaver Jun 2016 #37

Add due process to the bill geomon666 Jun 2016 #40

3 business days lancer78 Jun 2016 #60

Peace out, this has been a lively discussion but now I need some shut-eye... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #74

Here is info from the ACLU on how to appeal. pnwmom Jun 2016 #81

It may be thinking that is flawed, it may be political theater HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #84

Civil rights don't matter to Democrats when guns are involved Lurks Often Jun 2016 #85

Indeed - And this could easily be flipped on us. TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2016 #92

The legal precedent used to justify this could very well by applied elsewhere as well Lurks Often Jun 2016 #93

As long a WE control the list and how they get there all is well. ileus Jun 2016 #86

Death. Once the Security State has given you the Scarlet Letter you're fucked. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #89

Why do I see this backfiring for the donkey party? Jake Stern Jun 2016 #91