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Meldread

(4,213 posts)
1. It's a necessary step in the right direction.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 04:28 AM
Jun 2016

I agree about concerns over due process. This is something that should be fixed with the lists regardless of whether or not gun control legislation passes, and should absolutely be part of the bill if it does. It is the only legitimate criticism offered by the pro-gun lobby.

However, this isn't an argument against the existence of such a list. The First Amendment allows people to have the right to view and spread terrorist propaganda, and even declare their moral support for terrorism. This is not a bad thing--it is helpful when people declare themselves in such a way, or are simply clumsy and end up getting caught. However, it is equally acceptable for the government to declare someone a risk for terrorist actions, and create a list restricting their ability to fly, buy guns, and engage in other activities that may be a danger to others. Such restrictions are not a violation of their rights anymore than it is a violation of a domestic abuser or a convicted felon's right to own a gun. Dangerous people should not be given dangerous weapons or given the opportunity to hurt or kill innocent people.

You are right, this is not enough. Not by a long shot. However, right now this is legislation that is supported by 90% of the American people. It is not controversial. It is common sense and most people will support it. This makes it easy to organize around, easy to energize people into action, easy to dramatize just how deeply the Republicans are in the pocket of the gun lobby, and it is an easy first step toward something bigger. It is important to win a victory, because it is important to break the narrative that nothing will change, that this is the new normal, and that nothing will happen. When people believe that things CAN change and WILL change, and they know that there are people willing to fight for that change, they will be willing to come out and organize behind those people who are fighting. A change in the narrative is important. It begins to shift momentum toward our side and away from theirs... and we are fighting on favorable ground.

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It's a necessary step in the right direction. Meldread Jun 2016 #1
If you are a risk to society, that should be something dealt with openly in a court of law. Kentonio Jun 2016 #2
The First Amendment can prevent that from happening. Meldread Jun 2016 #3
The only thing the NRA has is pipoman Jun 2016 #4
Fuck the second amendment and piss on guns. I can say that all day. hunter Jun 2016 #10
I fully agree with everything you just said in case I wasn't clear. Kentonio Jun 2016 #12
I whole hearty agee! Delmette Jun 2016 #15
"nutjob convert to Islam"? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #5
Veganism? Glassunion Jun 2016 #16
Radical veganism, no doubt. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #17
Actually evangelical Glassunion Jun 2016 #18
Chris Cuomo on CNN interviewed a GOP congressman a few minutes ago. Vinca Jun 2016 #6
The killer was not a 'convert' but practiced the religion into which he was born and raised. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #7
Does it matter? Kentonio Jun 2016 #8
He was not on the no fly list. FXSTD Jun 2016 #29
Even if it would have had an effect.. Kentonio Jun 2016 #30
Many gun control pushes have racist roots. Brickbat Jun 2016 #9
The second amendment itself has always been used in racist and regressive ways. hunter Jun 2016 #14
Actually, the attempts to control guns have been used in "racist and regressive ways." Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #31
So he was a Christian before converting to Islam... ileus Jun 2016 #11
His religion is only relevant here in terms of #NoFlyNoBuy being aimed at Muslims. Kentonio Jun 2016 #13
"Despite wishing that all guns could be removed from society.." NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #19
Why would that be a bad thing exactly? Kentonio Jun 2016 #20
Just one point is good enough for me. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #21
If there weren't any guns, what would you need defending from? Kentonio Jun 2016 #22
Knives. Methheads. Any jackal that tries to break into my house. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #23
If you have a gun, then the person breaking into your house will bring one too. Kentonio Jun 2016 #24
Again, you are being intentionally obtuse only seeing your own POV. NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #25
The statement you had an issue with was me saying I'd like all guns to disappear from society. Kentonio Jun 2016 #26
"Spare me your twisted morality." NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #27
"If there weren't any alcohol..." Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #32
Someone with access to smuggled illicit firearms One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #34
I think this was an impetus My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #28
The impetus is most reformers of any type see the 5th as the weakest link. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #33
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