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Lee-Lee

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20. The Gun Lobhy has no control over where the DOJ chooses to focus enforcement and prosecutions

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 07:51 AM

Jun 2016

All it takes the President to direct that these laws are high priority for enforcement and prosecution.

Just like he set policy that immigration enforcement against dreamers was low priority and wouldn't be done, effectively giving them at least temporarily amnesty.

Right now what the lack- even drop in- enforcement of Federal gun laws has done is give people who are illegally buying or attempting to buy or straw buying or dealing without a license essentially a similar amnesty. They know the odds are nobody will enforce the law.

Meanwhile the BATFE diverts its efforts from gun crime to big sexy undercover operations and huge case building on things like motorcycle gangs that have little or nothing to do with gun crime and result in far fewer arrests and prosecutions than if they focused agents on the violations of law that happen daily out in the open that nobody bothers to go after.

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sensible gun control [View all] lancer78 Jun 2016 OP

Is either side going to budge? Reiyuki Jun 2016 #1

just like lancer78 Jun 2016 #4

exactly Reiyuki Jun 2016 #5

Diane Feinstein was a victim of gun violence lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #2

I can see her point of view lancer78 Jun 2016 #3

What if there were virtually no laws against drinking and driving? nt BreakfastClub Jun 2016 #6

We tried the equivalent to "America, turn them in" I from 1920-1933 Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #7

You saying there are virtually no lows on owning or purchasing a firearm? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #8

The number of laws don't matter, their effect does. baldguy Jun 2016 #10

What laws do you want? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #11

Anything the NRA doesn't like. baldguy Jun 2016 #12

No, what matters is they don't get enforced. Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #14

The terrorist-loving pro-gun lobby doesn't want existing laws enforced. baldguy Jun 2016 #16

The Gun Lobhy has no control over where the DOJ chooses to focus enforcement and prosecutions Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #20

The terrorist-loving gun lobby controls the fascist GOP, the GOP controls Congress, baldguy Jun 2016 #24

Enforcement was just as bad when we controlled Congress and the purse strings Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #32

they are enforced lancer78 Jun 2016 #51

Some are- many are not Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #53

there are many laws lancer78 Jun 2016 #50

Your data is correct, though it is given little credence by the controllers... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #64

And as with all elites, you can get a gun to carry. And she got one. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #63

I believe that she acually got two. oneshooter Jun 2016 #81

I agree with her, but would not say it out loud. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #77

But tRump has hinted he wants to do that. scscholar Jun 2016 #78

At some point, at some level, that's what it will take. baldguy Jun 2016 #9

What you are pretending is that there is no 2nd Amendment pipoman Jun 2016 #17

Guns remove peoples' civil rights or liberties every day - by killing them. baldguy Jun 2016 #22

Cars remove peoples civil rights or liberties every day - by killing them pipoman Jun 2016 #23

And the car manufacturers lobby & car owners lobby work diligently to make cars safer. baldguy Jun 2016 #26

Your right to drive to the liquor store don't outweigh my right to life... pipoman Jun 2016 #29

No one is asking for perfect safety. Just to make it a little less stupidly dangerous. baldguy Jun 2016 #31

Just another fantasy pipoman Jun 2016 #37

your 95% figure is hypothetical, right? maxsolomon Jun 2016 #56

Nonsense pipoman Jun 2016 #66

Nonsense like your 95% guess? Or nonsense like your 1st paragraph? maxsolomon Jun 2016 #73

The family of my childhood friend's parents had no idea he would hang himself either.. pipoman Jun 2016 #83

well, let's just disappear every gun tomorrow then and we'll observe the effect on the suicide rate maxsolomon Jun 2016 #87

From your link pipoman Jun 2016 #86

Yes lancer78 Jun 2016 #91

And they preserve civil rights every day too by protecting people Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #25

Guns harm many more people than they protect. baldguy Jun 2016 #28

False memes don't help pipoman Jun 2016 #30

Why don't we have the CDC do a study? baldguy Jun 2016 #33

There are plenty of studies and they are usually completed pipoman Jun 2016 #40

Criminologists do studies all the time Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #42

and yet RKBAs 'parrot' Kleck's BS 2.5 million DGU/year number to justify their fears maxsolomon Jun 2016 #57

+1. Jeeesus, George Zimmerman murdering Trayvon Martin is considered a Defensive Gun Use Hoyt Jun 2016 #82

The CDC did a study on defensive gun use in 2013 at the direction of President Obama hack89 Jun 2016 #44

Even the anti-gun VPC doesn't deny it. beevul Jun 2016 #74

You know that meme about a gun in the home being more likely to harm was long ago discredited, right Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #41

I'd suggest skipping going to the grocery store or mall then. You'll find that you have a higher Waldorf Jun 2016 #85

Those words have been shown every time someone says "nobody is going to take your guns" Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #13

It worked for Australia. Vinca Jun 2016 #15

Australia doesn't have the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. pipoman Jun 2016 #18

It seems that makes them lucky. They don't have mass shootings anymore. Vinca Jun 2016 #19

Nothing changed. Exactly the same people could buy then as now. pipoman Jun 2016 #21

Yes they do; they've had 3 since the new law Recursion Jun 2016 #27

memes like gun control=the loss of civil liberties? Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #35

That's one I don't like either; I want 100% gun registration (or failing that at least for handguns) Recursion Jun 2016 #39

Felons and all others who can't legally own guns can't be required to register their guns. hack89 Jun 2016 #45

And then they can be jailed for having unregistered guns Recursion Jun 2016 #47

Except if one is willing to commit serious felonies like murder or drug distribution hack89 Jun 2016 #48

Yes,it's the democrats who are responsible for the lack sufrommich Jun 2016 #34

you might like to see this: post #11 Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #38

Of course DiFi was talking about "assault weapons", I bet she still says the same thing. jmg257 Jun 2016 #36

THE DU GUN ENTHUSIASTS ARISE!!!!!!! Paladin Jun 2016 #43

Actually, the NRA gets more mileage out of Diane Feinstein hack89 Jun 2016 #46

Gun love is disgusting, like smoking. It ought to be treated as a public health hazard. hunter Jun 2016 #49

Hey hunter, the NRA is known for paying royalties for anti-gun cartoons for republishing. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #68

What does the bad guy living in your head look like? hunter Jun 2016 #75

Heh, you make light of that "dark side" philosophers have discussed for milinia. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #80

And, the "cure for the disease" is??? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #52

Doing something about lancer78 Jun 2016 #90

turning them all in IS sensible gun control mwrguy Jun 2016 #54

And unrealistic. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #55

Chuckles, is that you? LWolf Jun 2016 #58

No need to take guns from anyone or pass laws that ban any of them XRubicon Jun 2016 #59

"if you have the money you can buy one." How classist- and unconstitutional friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #60

Nope. XRubicon Jun 2016 #61

Your clever plan has already been tried, and was blocked by way of printer's ink: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #62

Ever hear of the 1934 NFA? XRubicon Jun 2016 #65

Calling something an "NRA talking point" is a knee-jerk retort, not a counterargument friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #67

1. Easy to pass a tax law XRubicon Jun 2016 #69

With tens of millions of gun owners implacably opposed to it? Not very likely. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #72

Not sure you are keeping up with current events. XRubicon Jun 2016 #76

"Moral panic"- /ˈm�rəl/ /ˈpanik/ friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #89

Hell, noting a big drop in "gun crime" is an NRAtalkingPoint�. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #70

I've seen that happen when the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports showed that inconvenient truth friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #71

guess what? eventually, like the color of everybody's skin becoming cocoa-like, Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #79

Was that intended to reply to the post I made? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #88

Feinstein was correct Matrosov Jun 2016 #84