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Igel

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36. Suits China or the USSR, hardly fascist.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jun 2012

Of course, they flub the "religion" one. Then again, by comparison with the one really fascist state our religion is weak.

The corporation tie-in is more subtle. In the USSR the heads of corporations *were* the party bosses. In China, government officials and corporate heads merely influence each other a lot and it's hard to see which is "in charge." As the "religion" bullet point it's hard to apply directly.

If the US is fascist, think about what #14 is saying. That the Republicans--they're the opposition--are going to be the target of of manipulated smear campaigns.

The cronyism isn't rampant. Not by a long shot. It's more than it was in the US. But nothing like it was in the USSR, in China, even in Hitler's Germany. Perspective.

Free expression was banned for intellectuals and the arts. Seriously, you need some perspective. Similarity of sound, the applicability of a word in some sense doesn't mean identity of referent. My advisor was tenured at a large university. Because of a change in politics, his choice was to be tried or be exiled without a trial. He was an internal exile for 20 years. And he totally dropped and renounced his former research. It took 20 years to be forgiven, to build another scholarly reputation and be allowed to move back to his home town. He was lucky: He was allowed to continue to be a professor, to continue to work. A number of his colleagues weren't so lucky, and nobody ever knew who informed on them. He was never allowed to travel abroad. His father had been a writer: His father had the choice of writing the stories he was told to write, be a reporter as he was told, or be unemployed. He found a third choice: He drank himself to death.

If the US were fascist, Zinn would find himself in a black vehicle 3 a.m. tonight. The media wouldn't report it because it would never have happened. In a few weeks his colleagues would denounce him as anti-American, and either he would vanish or we'd read a note in which he confessed to being deluded and mistaken and accepted his retirement--anything to be able to serve his country and show loyalty to the Administration. At his own request, his writings would vanish from libraries and if you were found to have a copy it would possibly vanish from your bookshelf.

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Thank you for the reminder. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #1
I hope you are right about Obama... judy Jun 2012 #8
14/14 by my count... CanonRay Jun 2012 #2
Let's help to spread this message far and wide. It's precisely the ones who have fallen for Cal33 Jun 2012 #3
Oh, it is not my message judy Jun 2012 #6
Many thanks. Cal33 Jun 2012 #7
K&R. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #4
OMG libodem Jun 2012 #5
Nothing new under the sun siligut Jun 2012 #9
I wonder how many people read this list every day and realize they are living in it? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #10
I again recommend reading Alexamder Cockburn's article "So Who's the Fascist Here?" rhett o rick Jun 2012 #11
People jump all over Cockburn but I've read him for years and he's byeya Jun 2012 #47
I feel bad for the people that have their fingers in their ears, eyes closed, rhett o rick Jun 2012 #48
How about a Holocaust, for good measure ????? Mustellus Jun 2012 #12
Very true. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #44
this sounds liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #13
While I find this list useful and generally accurate, it by no means is coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #14
I thought you were going to post the... SoutherDem Jun 2012 #15
If we are living under fascism, is Obama = Hitler? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #16
that's what I wondered too hfojvt Jun 2012 #18
Thanks for posting this mathematic Jun 2012 #17
Really? Only "1 or 2" of the above? annabanana Jun 2012 #19
Yes, really. mathematic Jun 2012 #28
You're drunk on Kool-Aid Doctor_J Jun 2012 #32
Man, I don't even own a TV. mathematic Jun 2012 #33
Once Republicans get the helm again we'll be barrelling right back towards fascism. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #41
The U.S. and Europe do NOT have a "free market capitalist system". daaron Jun 2012 #54
What's with posters around here. mathematic Jun 2012 #59
I'm not sure what's worse. Someone upthread assuming you watch TV. daaron Jun 2012 #61
Only 1 or 2?? Get out from under that rock. We meet all 14 criteria kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #21
I wish it was just a rock. mathematic Jun 2012 #29
It's possible to see only 1 or 2 of the 14 conditions Creideiki Jun 2012 #64
Who is this Lawrence/Laurence Britt? frazzled Jun 2012 #20
Given he is not the only one who has discussed this nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #22
"First of all, there is no 'Dr. Lawrence Britt'." Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #23
So the war on women's reproductive rights is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #24
What's funny about this is that Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #25
I dislike the focus on the term "fascism" cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #26
Ok, forget Mr. Britt. Here is another definition judy Jun 2012 #70
Liberty Forum? MineralMan Jun 2012 #27
Anyone know when this list was compiled? Doctor_J Jun 2012 #30
Nope. From my search, the writer doesn't even exist MineralMan Jun 2012 #31
See Post 23 (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #34
Thanks for the info! MineralMan Jun 2012 #35
Suits China or the USSR, hardly fascist. Igel Jun 2012 #36
We are still in the early phase of fascism, but it is here. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #40
Scary. This is why I find it hard to vote for Republicans. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #37
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The more you speak, the less credible you seem. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #74
Here we are! Describes us to a tee. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #39
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Fraudulent elections, yes, we do know the scale. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #56
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