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Jerry442

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29. If a device is intelligent enough to exist in a complex human environment...

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:49 PM

Jun 2016

...then it will have to have something resembling values.

Already our brainless cars prioritize the well-being of an adult in the front passenger seat over that of a small child who might be seated there.

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With Driverless Cars, a Safety Dilemma Arises: Would you buy a car that might decide to kill you? [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2016 OP

A rather contrived dilemma whatthehey Jun 2016 #1

There are always going to be edge cases where it becomes an issue. Kentonio Jun 2016 #4

But programming doesn't work like that whatthehey Jun 2016 #7

Programming works exactly like that. Kentonio Jun 2016 #9

No - it works with input X=output Y not with every possible scenario linked to a specific response whatthehey Jun 2016 #12

It doesn't need to have every possible scenario factored in. Kentonio Jun 2016 #14

If a device is intelligent enough to exist in a complex human environment... Jerry442 Jun 2016 #29

Values aren't necessary, just priority commands. Value driven AI is a fair way off yet. Kentonio Jun 2016 #33

Like it or not, our values often show up in our technology. Jerry442 Jun 2016 #34

That is a very interesting point. stevenleser Jun 2016 #46

I agree for two reasons stevenleser Jun 2016 #45

I agree it is very contrived and provides cause to wonder abouit the result will be used. Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #59

Why do so many will smith movies turn into real life problems? n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #2

.... giftedgirl77 Jun 2016 #11

Because most Will Smith movies are based on real life problems anigbrowl Jun 2016 #19

Keen way for a group to plot to kill someone -- simply step in front of their car and . . . Journeyman Jun 2016 #3

One clever guy could commit that murder all by himself: tblue37 Jul 2016 #65

From an engineering and decision making process, ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #5

I haven't trusted a car since I read Christine. DawgHouse Jun 2016 #6

I agree with the survey response. Glassunion Jun 2016 #8

Well, I certainly can't see any reason why we should be slightly suspicious of... Shandris Jun 2016 #10

This is LWolf Jun 2016 #13

Yep. Statistically flying is *much* safer than traveling by car, yet people fear flying much more-- tblue37 Jul 2016 #66

"Would you buy a car that is less likely to kill you" is a better question jberryhill Jun 2016 #15

Ah, the Sweet Meteor of Death... DeadLetterOffice Jun 2016 #38

I expect liability issues and questions to be a huge hurdle Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #16

Simple answer - I will never buy a driverless car. Daemonaquila Jun 2016 #17

Get back to me when you're 90 years old. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2016 #18

Will 90 year olds be able to afford a robot driver? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #20

Self-driving technology isn't likely to be terribly expensive Codeine Jun 2016 #23

Perhaps they would not have to own one, just hire it like a taxi csziggy Jun 2016 #25

Yes, I can sort of see robot taxis/vans as something that could work HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #27

For elders it would be good to have some protections csziggy Jun 2016 #28

This reminds me of one 5-year period when I kept getting called for jury duty. Over and over again, tblue37 Jul 2016 #70

Yeah, my Dad kept getting called the same way csziggy Jul 2016 #74

Without aids I am profoundly deaf. With them, I still can't understand most speech unless tblue37 Jul 2016 #77

The rich get old, too. Uben Jun 2016 #36

We need individual transport pods--like in "Minority Report," or "The Jetsons": tblue37 Jul 2016 #69

I don't even use cruise control when driving. nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #67

When I read this part of your reply I thought about velcro sneakers: tblue37 Jul 2016 #68

My daughter's physio therapist hates Velcro shoes. EllieBC Jul 2016 #73

I'm not ever buying one, so no dilemma for me... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #21

Many of the technologies involved are already available today Major Nikon Jun 2016 #37

As long as I'm the one in total control... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #52

You probably aren't already Major Nikon Jun 2016 #54

You're conflating driver aids with full automation... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #55

Please read post #37 again Major Nikon Jun 2016 #57

What would a real-life human driver do? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #22

Panic-lock the brakes while turning the car, Codeine Jun 2016 #24

I'm guessing the 1% will be able to pay for the "personal protection priority" option. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #26

I was going to go there. You beat me to it. NT Jerry442 Jun 2016 #31

Was there a follow up "What if the 10 pedestrians are Kardashians?" question? flvegan Jun 2016 #30

You'll have an option. trof Jun 2016 #32

"I'm sorry. I didn't get that answer. Would you say that again?" mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2016 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2016 #43

Hell to the no! Uben Jun 2016 #35

As a career machinist, I'd bet you've had close calls with human error. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #40

Oh yeah! Uben Jul 2016 #75

Considering how often your cell phone drops calls or your tablet freezes up or gets tblue37 Jul 2016 #71

When given the choice while driving what wou9ld You do? One_Life_To_Give Jun 2016 #39

I will never be interested... sendero Jun 2016 #42

Driverless Cars Should Kill Passengers To Save Lives - But Then People Won't Buy Them mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2016 #44

Cars are already becoming self aware. Initech Jun 2016 #47

Is that an accurate description of what happened? mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2016 #48

That's what I heard happened. Initech Jun 2016 #49

If an airline pilot ever had to choose whether to kill everyone on the plane in order to save a much TacoD Jun 2016 #50

A PSA is needed anoNY42 Jun 2016 #51

With my last job I was driving all time on Florida streets. I'm all for driverless cars. RAFisher Jun 2016 #56

Ouch anoNY42 Jul 2016 #63

I wouldn't buy a driverless car. Vinca Jun 2016 #53

Right now we are all at the mercey of other drivers and have managed to reduce hiway deaths/per Todays_Illusion Jun 2016 #58

I would trust the driverless car over a normal car, unless the driver is a woman. Little Tich Jun 2016 #60

So you are saying pedestrians would be walking where they obviously aren't supposed to be alphafemale Jul 2016 #61

Self-Driving {sic} Tesla Was Involved in Fatal Crash, U.S. Says mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2016 #62

Driverless will be the only choice in 10 years. Darb Jul 2016 #64

People are terrible drivers and scare the shit out of me killbotfactory Jul 2016 #72

A car is not a conscious being. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #76