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5. ACLU's letter to Senators - full text
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jun 2016

edit to add: tried to fix format glitches.

Here is a link which may be easier to read:

https://www.aclu.org/letter/aclu-letter-urging-senators-vote-no-collins-amendment-4814-hr-2578


RE: Vote “NO” on Collins Amendment No. 4814 on Firearms
Permits, Which Raises Even More Serious Problems than Either
the Cornyn Amendment or Feinstein Amendment

Dear Senator,

The American Civil Liberties Union strongly urges you to vote “NO” on the Collins Amendment No. 4814 on firearms permits, which may be considered on the Senate floor as early as this week as an amendment to H.R. 2578, the Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies appropriations bill.

The ACLU wrote to you earlier this week, urging opposition to the Cornyn Amendment and Feinstein Amendment on firearm permits, and we appreciate that the Senate voted down both amendments.

We had hoped that the Collins Amendment would correct the problems with the earlier amendments, but instead the Collins Amendment would cause even more serious problems. Our concerns about all of these amendments are informed by our policy on the regulation of firearms, as well as our knowledge of the overbreadth and misuse of watchlists, and are twofold: the use of vague and overbroad criteria and the lack of adequate due process safeguards.

We recognize that enacting new regulations of firearms can raise difficult questions. The ACLU believes that the right to own and use guns is not absolute or free from government regulation, since firearms are inherently dangerous instrumentalities and their use, unlike other activities protected by the Bill of Rights, can inflict serious bodily injury or death. Therefore, firearms are subject to reasonable regulation in the interests of public safety, crime prevention, maintaining the peace, environmental protection, and public health.

We do not oppose regulation of firearms as long as it is reasonably related to these legitimate government interests, and note that public safety interests encompass not only terrorism, but more often other firearm use that results in serious injury or death. At the same time, regulation of firearms and individual gun ownership or use must be consistent with civil liberties principles, such as due process, equal protection, freedom from unlawful searches, and privacy.

The ACLU urges you to oppose the Collins Amendment principally for the
following reasons:

The Collins Amendment Uses the Error Prone and Unfair Watchlist System as a Predicate, Thereby Opening the Door to Arbitrary and Discriminatory Denial of a Firearm

The ACLU strongly urges you to vote against the Collins Amendment because it uses the error prone and unfair watchlist system, along with vague and overbroad terms, as a predicate for a proceeding to deny a firearms permit.

The Collins Amendment relies on both the No Fly List, by codifying its criteria, and the Selectee List, by
direct reference. Relying on these lists would open the door to arbitrary and discriminatory government action.

The Collins Amendment would further entrench a watchlist system that is rife with problems.

As we have long cautioned, our nation’s watchlisting system is error prone and unreliable because it uses vague and overbroad criteria and secret evidence to place individuals on blacklists without a meaningful process to correct government error and clear their names.

The government's internal guidance for watchlists specifies that nominations to the master watchlist need not
be based on “concrete facts,” and it permits placement on the master watchlist based on uncorroborated or even questionably reliable information. The criteria for placement on the No Fly List further exacerbate and illustrate these flaws.

The government contends that it can place on the No Fly List American citizens who have never been charged let alone convicted of a crime, on the basis of a prediction that they nevertheless pose a threat (which is undefined) of future conduct that the government concedes “may or may not occur.”

The overly broad criteria result in a high risk of error, and it is imperative that the watchlisting system include due process safeguards which it does not.

In the context of the No Fly List, for example, the government refuses to provide even Americans who know they are on
the list with the full reasons for the placement, the basis for those reasons, and a hearing before a neutral decision maker.
These are fundamentals of constitutionally required due process.

Publicly available information and the ACLU’s experience with people who know or credibly suspect that they have been watchlisted raises serious concerns that the government applies the watchlists in an arbitrary or discriminatory fashion, particularly against American Muslim, Arab, and South Asian communities. An internal August 2013 government document, for example, shows that Dearborn, Michigan home to the country’s largest concentration of Arab Americans was second only to New York City in the number of people on the government’s “known or suspected terrorist” watchlist.

This was despite the fact that, as the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan noted at the time, not a single person from Dearborn had ever been prosecuted for terrorism.

Given the extraordinary problems caused by the watchlist system, the Senate should reject any legislation that would rely on it as a predicate, thereby institutionalizing a system that must be reformed or scrapped.

The Collins Amendment Lacks Even the Most Basic Due Process Protections. The Collins Amendment fails to provide basic due process safeguards and instead would entrench a largely one sided and secret process that would not result in meaningful judicial review of executive branch decisions.

We discuss here key concerns, and this is not an exhaustive list.

As a threshold matter, the Collins Amendment strips the federal district courts of jurisdiction to hear claims or challenges, in
cluding constitutional claims. Under our system, federal district courts are best positioned to develop a factual record and hear claims in the first instance.

Instead, the Collins Amendment vests jurisdiction in federal courts of appeal, but only
to hear claims based on a largely secret and one-sided administrative record to which a petitioner would not meaningfully be able to respond.

Although a petitioner may submit information to the appeals court, that information would necessarily be based on guess work because the petitioner does not, under this system, have access to all the reasons for denial, the basis for those reasons, and a meaningful hearing before a neutral decision maker.

These are fundamental requirements of due process. Moreover, unlike the Cornyn Amendment, which at least specified that any judicial proceeding shall be subject to the procedures contained in the Classified Information Procedures Act (“CIPA”), the Collins Amendment does not contain even those safeguards.

To be clear, despite claims from sponsors, the Collins Amendment does not apply CIPA. Although the Collins Amendment does allow a federal appeals court to disclose classified information or a summary of it to a petitioner or counsel, those provisions are undercut by a subsequent provision that allows the attorney general to file an affidavit of objection after which the appeals court “shall” order the information not to be disclosed.

Finally, the Collins Amendment presumes that information is in fact properly classified, or sensitive security information, or otherwise subject to legitimately invoked privileges. Our experience and knowledge of challenges to the No Fly List and other watchlists, and national security litigation more generally, makes clear that no such presumption should be made and these executive branch claims must be subject to appropriate judicial review. The Collins Amendment instructs courts to seal all such records without regard to the First Amendment and common law right of access to judicial records.

The Collins Amendment Effectively Creates a New Watchlist that is Broader than Any
Current List, and then Widely Disseminates the Names of Certain People on It

Finally, the Collins amendment would impose a notification requirement that could result in a
new “watchlist” broader than any that currently exists in fact, so broad that it would include even persons long ago cleared of any wrongdoing by law enforcement.

The amendment would require the attorney general, along with “Federal, State, and local law enforcement,” to be
informed of each application for a firearm by any person who has been on the master watchlist at any point over the past five years even if the person has been cleared of any wrongdoing, the investigation was otherwise closed, or the person was long ago removed from the list.

The Collins Amendment also takes the unprecedented step of informing thousands of federal, state,
and local law enforcement officers that someone who was on the list at some point over the past
five years has applied for a firearm permit, thereby exposing the names of people who are no longer on the list to possible disclosure by any of thousands of law enforcement officers.

While mere presence on a new five year watchlist of people who are or have been on the master watchlist would not, on its own, be sufficient for the attorney general to deny a firearm permit, the creation of such a broad, new watchlist, which could be used for additional purposes, raises
significant concerns.
Thank you for your consideration of our concerns.

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So the ACLU puts rights above safety scscholar Jun 2016 #1
I really really hope this is sarcasm. tritsofme Jun 2016 #3
Except they don't REP Jun 2016 #7
They admit in their quote that "freedom from unlawful searches" and "due process..." scscholar Jun 2016 #9
Still hoping this is sarcasm n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #10
Do you know latin? sarisataka Jun 2016 #11
Sorry, but that's the wave of the future. Igel Jun 2016 #40
Or knee jerk reaction that if it's a ferin language it must be bad greiner3 Jun 2016 #73
Fine. You can let LEO search your home without a warrant. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #29
I already do have to allow random, warrantless searches. scscholar Jun 2016 #36
That's untrue. They must give 24 hours notice before entering except in cases of emergency. REP Jun 2016 #37
Pesky facts again Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #41
I know. I'm such an ass for dragging those into the discussion! REP Jun 2016 #42
Laughable. The landlord inspecting his property is *not* the government. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #55
It is *not* the landlord doing the inspection scscholar Jun 2016 #58
Building inspections are not "Unreasonable" searches under law. They aren't even a search. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #66
So, a government employee searching your home is not a search? scscholar Jun 2016 #71
I see now, you are being deliberately obtuse. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #72
Guess you're not from the "give me liberty or give me death" crowd? thesquanderer Jun 2016 #39
if this isn't sarcasm you have truly went off the deep end AntiBank Jun 2016 #50
There was a place called East Germany, had a police force called the Stasi. They operated jtuck004 Jun 2016 #53
A compromise hardluck Jun 2016 #74
So did everyone that signed both the Declaration and the Constitution. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #22
No that's what democracy is all about. Innocent until proven guilty. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30
Maybe "Safety at all costs!" works for you. Not for me. cheapdate Jun 2016 #34
It seems that suspending due process is fine as long as it only applies to certain people REP Jun 2016 #38
Let me tell you something then! Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #59
Much as they did with Citizens United. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #68
As it should. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #69
I side with the ACLU Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #2
Right on JackInGreen Jun 2016 #4
ACLU's letter to Senators - full text jtx Jun 2016 #5
K&R n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #6
I am very very pro gun control choie Jun 2016 #8
The watchlisting system is no more accurate Downwinder Jun 2016 #12
B... but, GUNZ!! Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #13
Plenty of liberals own guns n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #14
Me included. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #17
My bad SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #19
Not at all. A due reminder. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #25
Yes of course, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21
The requirements of prohibition are bashing the Constitution. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #23
That's how I think of it. Igel Jun 2016 #43
When did everyone embrace the no fly list? TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #15
Some of us citizens is getting randomly killed. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #20
Your response is nonsensical. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #27
This is about preserving the 2nd Amendment unimpeded. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #31
There are hundreds of things we could do that don't violate the 5th Amendment, or the 4th, etc NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #32
The known or suspected terrorists on the 'no fly list'... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #35
So you think that this super-secret government list TeddyR Jun 2016 #45
The Collins amendment. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #47
Apologies TeddyR Jun 2016 #49
'Known or suspected terrorists'... like Senator Edward Kennedy? John Poet Jun 2016 #64
When Obama took office. When Bush crapped on the Constitution, BAD! Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #24
It really gives lie to their claim of principles, doesn't it? X_Digger Jun 2016 #33
It's infuriating. These people are calling themselves Democrats. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #54
It has to start with something IronLionZion Jun 2016 #52
ACLU- sarisataka Jun 2016 #16
The Constitution is not a suicide pact. baldguy Jun 2016 #18
How 'bout that Cornyn (R)? Why, I never knew. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #26
"The Constitution is not a suicide pact" NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #28
The city of Chicago TeddyR Jun 2016 #46
Piss on due process...lock those fuckers up now! jmg257 Jun 2016 #48
And this "trial by jury" nonsense LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #56
Not being able to buy a gun **IS NOT** equivalent to being put in prison. baldguy Jun 2016 #63
So supporting due process TeddyR Jun 2016 #67
. baldguy Jun 2016 #70
There right UnFettered Jun 2016 #44
I bet a lot of people forgot about the no fly list issues IronLionZion Jun 2016 #51
I have to agree with the ACLU bluestateguy Jun 2016 #57
weren't these the guys blowing money on suing an elementary school for MisterP Jun 2016 #60
ACLU wants to protect civil liberties Democat Jun 2016 #61
Yeah, I'm an old Democrat, but new to DU, LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #75
Yet more sabotage dickthegrouch Jun 2016 #62
Shills for the NRA...don't they realize rights are overrated? ileus Jun 2016 #65
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