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thesquanderer

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39. Guess you're not from the "give me liberty or give me death" crowd?

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:13 PM

Jun 2016

I'm with the ACLU on this. The unknowable and unfightable and insufficiently controlled terrorist watch list should not be used to create a list of people who can be denied rights. I mean, then why not note away these peoples' rights to assembly and free speech? Right to vote? We can't have a system where anyone's rights can be taken away at any time without due process or recourse.

Guns do need more control, but this is a poor means.

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ACLU's Most Recent Statement on No Fly No Buy Lists. [View all] jtx Jun 2016 OP

So the ACLU puts rights above safety scscholar Jun 2016 #1

I really really hope this is sarcasm. tritsofme Jun 2016 #3

Except they don't REP Jun 2016 #7

They admit in their quote that "freedom from unlawful searches" and "due process..." scscholar Jun 2016 #9

Still hoping this is sarcasm n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #10

Do you know latin? sarisataka Jun 2016 #11

Sorry, but that's the wave of the future. Igel Jun 2016 #40

Or knee jerk reaction that if it's a ferin language it must be bad greiner3 Jun 2016 #73

Fine. You can let LEO search your home without a warrant. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #29

I already do have to allow random, warrantless searches. scscholar Jun 2016 #36

That's untrue. They must give 24 hours notice before entering except in cases of emergency. REP Jun 2016 #37

Pesky facts again Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #41

I know. I'm such an ass for dragging those into the discussion! REP Jun 2016 #42

Laughable. The landlord inspecting his property is *not* the government. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #55

It is *not* the landlord doing the inspection scscholar Jun 2016 #58

Building inspections are not "Unreasonable" searches under law. They aren't even a search. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #66

So, a government employee searching your home is not a search? scscholar Jun 2016 #71

I see now, you are being deliberately obtuse. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #72

Guess you're not from the "give me liberty or give me death" crowd? thesquanderer Jun 2016 #39

if this isn't sarcasm you have truly went off the deep end AntiBank Jun 2016 #50

There was a place called East Germany, had a police force called the Stasi. They operated jtuck004 Jun 2016 #53

A compromise hardluck Jun 2016 #74

So did everyone that signed both the Declaration and the Constitution. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #22

No that's what democracy is all about. Innocent until proven guilty. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30

Maybe "Safety at all costs!" works for you. Not for me. cheapdate Jun 2016 #34

It seems that suspending due process is fine as long as it only applies to certain people REP Jun 2016 #38

Let me tell you something then! Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #59

Much as they did with Citizens United. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #68

As it should. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #69

I side with the ACLU Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #2

Right on JackInGreen Jun 2016 #4

ACLU's letter to Senators - full text jtx Jun 2016 #5

K&R n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #6

I am very very pro gun control choie Jun 2016 #8

The watchlisting system is no more accurate Downwinder Jun 2016 #12

B... but, GUNZ!! Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #13

Plenty of liberals own guns n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #14

Me included. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #17

My bad SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #19

Not at all. A due reminder. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #25

Yes of course, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21

The requirements of prohibition are bashing the Constitution. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #23

That's how I think of it. Igel Jun 2016 #43

When did everyone embrace the no fly list? TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #15

Some of us citizens is getting randomly killed. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #20

Your response is nonsensical. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #27

This is about preserving the 2nd Amendment unimpeded. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #31

There are hundreds of things we could do that don't violate the 5th Amendment, or the 4th, etc NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #32

The known or suspected terrorists on the 'no fly list'... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #35

So you think that this super-secret government list TeddyR Jun 2016 #45

The Collins amendment. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #47

Apologies TeddyR Jun 2016 #49

'Known or suspected terrorists'... like Senator Edward Kennedy? John Poet Jun 2016 #64

When Obama took office. When Bush crapped on the Constitution, BAD! Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #24

It really gives lie to their claim of principles, doesn't it? X_Digger Jun 2016 #33

It's infuriating. These people are calling themselves Democrats. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #54

It has to start with something IronLionZion Jun 2016 #52

ACLU- sarisataka Jun 2016 #16

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. baldguy Jun 2016 #18

How 'bout that Cornyn (R)? Why, I never knew. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #26

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact" NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #28

The city of Chicago TeddyR Jun 2016 #46

Piss on due process...lock those fuckers up now! jmg257 Jun 2016 #48

And this "trial by jury" nonsense LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #56

Not being able to buy a gun **IS NOT** equivalent to being put in prison. baldguy Jun 2016 #63

So supporting due process TeddyR Jun 2016 #67

. baldguy Jun 2016 #70

There right UnFettered Jun 2016 #44

I bet a lot of people forgot about the no fly list issues IronLionZion Jun 2016 #51

I have to agree with the ACLU bluestateguy Jun 2016 #57

weren't these the guys blowing money on suing an elementary school for MisterP Jun 2016 #60

ACLU wants to protect civil liberties Democat Jun 2016 #61

Yeah, I'm an old Democrat, but new to DU, LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #75

Yet more sabotage dickthegrouch Jun 2016 #62

Shills for the NRA...don't they realize rights are overrated? ileus Jun 2016 #65