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Meldread

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46. This is EXACTLY what I am afraid of--this is why I feel so strongly.

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 12:35 AM

Jun 2016

It has nothing to do with the British people casting a vote, or a desire to hurt the UK. It's the potential consequences across Europe if they decide to go down this isolationist and nationalist path. WE KNOW WHERE THAT LEADS.

I honestly don't understand why people don't see that. I think it is because they think military conflict in Europe is a thing of the past... but they conveniently forget the major stabilizing force in Europe keeping it that way... the EU.

I am not some lover of the EU, I really am not. I think it is a deeply flawed institution in desperate need of reform. However, I think that reform leads Europe to GREATER integration not less, and it is that same nationalist and isolationist nature of European nations that has (and is) preventing it.

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England should feel the consequences for voting to leave the EU. [View all] Meldread Jun 2016 OP

Nope, don't think so Kilgore Jun 2016 #1

you are correct swhisper1 Jun 2016 #6

Give this poster a medal Corporate666 Jun 2016 #19

Pretty much. romanic Jun 2016 #54

Pour encouragez les autres, the EU MUST give harsh terms to the UK, otherwise OnDoutside Jun 2016 #82

So, you are saying that the UK needs those imports from the EU. DetlefK Jun 2016 #94

Yeah, let's start a cold war with one of our oldest and closest allies. brentspeak Jun 2016 #2

They aren't our allies any more treestar Jun 2016 #102

O.o Hydra Jun 2016 #108

I'm just pissed treestar Jun 2016 #113

EU does need to be reformed swhisper1 Jun 2016 #3

All of Europe will be hurt because of this, but especially the UK still_one Jun 2016 #4

The Germans aren't stupid. roamer65 Jun 2016 #5

probably swhisper1 Jun 2016 #7

The politics of this trumps the economics. Meldread Jun 2016 #9

"the people in the EU countries are more likely to blame the UK for leaving than those in Brussels." sibelian Jun 2016 #42

Yeah, I just got off the phone with her. We had a pleasant conversation. Meldread Jun 2016 #48

Unfortunately what you propose would just strengthen that nationalism Scootaloo Jun 2016 #93

I think this is the best argument against what I have written. Meldread Jun 2016 #110

Well, Britain leaving the EU removes it from the benefits of EU membership Scootaloo Jun 2016 #114

Huge opportunity for UK banking industry Kilgore Jun 2016 #8

LOL. The City will lose its #2 to #5 position in just 10 years Albertoo Jun 2016 #10

Correct. Already... Meldread Jun 2016 #12

France has zero chance in hell Albertoo Jun 2016 #28

Bravo! Kilgore Jun 2016 #41

It will be Frankfurt - bet the farm on it. nt pkdu Jun 2016 #52

I doubt it, Frankfurt is not anglophone friendly. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #89

Sounds like socialism treestar Jun 2016 #104

Paris will be the Martin O'Malley of the fight between Frankfurt and Amsterdam (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #76

Brilliant! JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #105

See you in ten Kilgore Jun 2016 #14

If it doesn't, brace for the worst in Europe Albertoo Jun 2016 #30

I completely agree Kilgore Jun 2016 #32

Agree. 840high Jun 2016 #63

Look up what "passporting" is and then reconsider your position Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #15

Think about the tendency of bankers Kilgore Jun 2016 #23

You might have noticed the bankers were the most strident opponets of Brexit Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #36

just like the USA mega banksters were the amongst most AntiBank Jun 2016 #60

The United Kingdom becoming the Hermit Kingdom is of no benefit to the "banksters" Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #73

you really need to ask the Swiss and my Norse neighbours AntiBank Jun 2016 #74

Switzerland and Norway are both part of the Single Market Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #84

The irony of people who support Brexit here is that... Meldread Jun 2016 #86

It's why I reject the "trendy left" Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #88

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What about the savings from not giving their money to the EU yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #87

Netherlands leaving? Mandos the Judge Jun 2016 #100

Nope. Are_grits_groceries Jun 2016 #106

^^^ Hear, hear: London's status as the economic capital of Europe ended today ^^^ Albertoo Jun 2016 #33

I'm going to miss Canary Wharf and LCY Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #40

France is regretfully dead Albertoo Jun 2016 #43

Why in the hell would that happen? Without the same access to mainland Europe, where will they grow? Zynx Jun 2016 #35

Exactly. sibelian Jun 2016 #37

Deregulating banks was such a good idea Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #57

London actually voted BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #90

UK banking shares are down about 20% muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #97

Europe and the EU will go on their merry way without the UK Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #11

I agree, but... Meldread Jun 2016 #18

The problems faced by the EU are little differant than our's Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2016 #26

You nailed it with this post! Native Jun 2016 #98

Fuck Europe Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2016 #13

Wheeee!!! sibelian Jun 2016 #38

Get in line behind Zeus. DetlefK Jun 2016 #95

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I would argue the EU has NOT been keeping the stability...at least not as of late davidn3600 Jun 2016 #17

WTF? They have a right to choose their own path just like everybody else. Quackers Jun 2016 #20

They do have the right to choose their own path. However, that does not mean... Meldread Jun 2016 #31

Well said Meldread. The question is whether those running the EU have the cojones to do so. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #83

Flat out SICK, if you ask me. sibelian Jun 2016 #39

The Swiss have done just fine outside of the EU. roamer65 Jun 2016 #21

The Swiss never joined. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #91

You are proposing a trade war that would likely trigger a global recession. tritsofme Jun 2016 #22

ease into the TPP?????? AntiBank Jun 2016 #75

Of course they are, that's why a lot of the outrage here over this Hydra Jun 2016 #109

Close your eyes. Now open them again. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #24

More likely other EU countries will have to learn from the UK Democat Jun 2016 #25

+1 840high Jun 2016 #65

The EU has destroyed Greece TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #27

don't forget Goldman Sachs foundational role in crushing Greece. AntiBank Jun 2016 #77

Exactly. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #96

Have you re-read your post in retrospect? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #29

Where did I say that the UK shouldn't exercise their freedom to leave? Meldread Jun 2016 #44

Well, that was an.... interesting? post Corporate666 Jun 2016 #50

By that line of reasoning, any state could leave the United States. Meldread Jun 2016 #53

The EU is nothing like the USA Corporate666 Jun 2016 #56

But here's the rub.... Mandos the Judge Jun 2016 #111

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Exactly Corporate666 Jun 2016 #62

It's a divorce The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #58

Some seem to think that Corporate666 Jun 2016 #71

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If it has a bad effect on us (which could be exaggerated) treestar Jun 2016 #107

Oh, don't worry, we will. auntpurl Jun 2016 #34

This is EXACTLY what I am afraid of--this is why I feel so strongly. Meldread Jun 2016 #46

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ridiculous over the top hyperbole AntiBank Jun 2016 #79

You want German justice for England Renew Deal Jun 2016 #45

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You get it. 840high Jun 2016 #66

Yes, The EU must crush the UK for daring to dissent. "Join or die," it what you are saying! Binkie The Clown Jun 2016 #55

Um, no. Meldread Jun 2016 #64

that's a main point. Many of us want the EU to collapse. AntiBank Jun 2016 #80

No one "stole" their sovereignty. Every single nation joined the EU willingly. Meldread Jun 2016 #85

Brussels was never going to reform, that's pie in the sky wishful thinking AntiBank Jun 2016 #92

It's not that the EU should do this. joshcryer Jun 2016 #59

England is its own country - if they want to leave they should be allowed to. Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #61

Britain will be fine. 840high Jun 2016 #67

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Over time, best solution I believe. Sovereignty crucial. May prevent future global elite. George Eliot Jun 2016 #69

No, don't do anything. We made our own bed as a nation and now we'll lie in it. Dalziel3979 Jun 2016 #72

Bless you, Meldread, for this cogent and well-informed OP. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #81

Punish punish punish n2doc Jun 2016 #99

The Democratic Party establishment could learn a thing or two from this Seeking Serenity Jun 2016 #112

EU is going to fall apart. deaniac21 Jun 2016 #101

The new Germany treestar Jun 2016 #103