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In reply to the discussion: England should feel the consequences for voting to leave the EU. [View all]Corporate666
(587 posts)The UK is not a state. They are a sovereign nation. They have their own currency. Their own parliament. Their own Prime Minister. Their own military. Their own borders. Their own laws. Their own embassies and ambassadors. States in the USA have none of that, because they aren't countries or anything close to it.
A more correct analogy would be like the USA leaving NAFTA.
If the UK can leave the EU and say "ok, we are the #2 economy in Europe - we want to negotiate a trade deal", it would be absolute idiocy for the rest of the EU to say no. That would be like the USA refusing to trade with Canada because Canada didn't want to be part of NAFTA. You don't screw your own citizens just to spite sovereign citizens of another nation because they didn't do what you wanted them to do. That would be no different than the fools who wanted to ruin the US economy and let the auto manufacturers fail just so union members didn't get their pensions bailed out.
If the UK - without spite being part of the equation - can negotiate a deal with the EU (or the individual member states, like Germany) that is superior to the deal they were getting with the EU, then that deal should be done. If it's better to do that deal outside the EU, then the EU is not offering any value to those two countries. So why should they be part of the EU?
And why does the EU need to continue to exist if it's better for member states not to be part of it? If the UK and Germany can work out a deal that works for them, and France gets in on it too - that is superior to what they were getting as part of the EU. Being part of a deal that is detrimental to your nation is bad politicking.
The EU does nothing to stop war or economic collapse. If anything, it can cause it. Look at what happened with Greece. The PIIGS almost brought the whole thing down - destroying economies that were otherwise working perfectly fine. And it sewed the seeds of dissent and anger in Greece, Germany and many many other places.