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forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
6. Meanwhile in political reality
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jun 2016

Trump: Yes
Sanders: No
Farage: Yes
Corbyn: No

The vote broke down largely among ideological lines - racist white people butthurt about immigration, yes, everyone else, no. Sadly everyone else couldn't win the turnout battle. Also Remain won with young voters by a mile, and was supported by the most liberal sections of the UK (in fact Scotland is probably leaving the UK over this).

Stop carrying water for fascist ideologues in the guise of supporting the working class..

Here's why 52% of British voted to leave [View all] TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 OP
Well, according to some here on this website brentspeak Jun 2016 #1
like Trump has any respect in the world swhisper1 Jun 2016 #18
We ignore Trump at our own Peril. He is actually providing a very good read on the real FighttheFuture Jun 2016 #111
this has been bugging me, about Trump's messaging nashville_brook Jun 2016 #141
If Trumpenfuror is for something I'm definitely against it. Initech Jun 2016 #135
We better pay attention to this! rateyes Jun 2016 #2
I agree yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #152
why don't the other countries have people who treestar Jun 2016 #3
They do! TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #7
Oh, yes! Anti-establishment populist movements are Hortensis Jun 2016 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #123
Boy! Certainly often. Being a successful leader Hortensis Jun 2016 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #128
You're on your own with this one. Hortensis Jun 2016 #132
Spot on response. chapdrum Jun 2016 #116
They just haven't had referendums yet. nt B2G Jun 2016 #16
My bet is that the "working class" will not come out better under Exit. They might feel better Hoyt Jun 2016 #4
I agree somewhat. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #5
I agree. They will be even more screwed for their fit of petulance. alarimer Jun 2016 #10
Yes, I agree. This will not end well. mountain grammy Jun 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #125
Eu must reform. Too many members want out for justified reasons swhisper1 Jun 2016 #17
Of course they won't. Adrahil Jun 2016 #25
Not wanting to have the bureaucrats in Brussels TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #29
That just sounds like right-win nonsense. Adrahil Jun 2016 #35
That sounds like elitist drivel brentspeak Jun 2016 #58
Sure. Look at who voted how. This was not driven by concerns about the 1%. Adrahil Jun 2016 #67
Uh, can you back up whatever it was you just said? brentspeak Jun 2016 #69
The leaders of the leave side were highly anti immigrant mythology Jun 2016 #124
^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #138
Agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #144
Boris Johmson wants a UK that is a "hyper-capitalist island freed of EU regulations". pampango Jun 2016 #43
Meanwhile in political reality forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #6
Don't you think stuff like this leftynyc Jun 2016 #9
So break everything since a couple of important things aren't perfect? REALLY?! uponit7771 Jun 2016 #14
Do you always shove words into leftynyc Jun 2016 #27
Wasn't being rhetorical, honest question... any answer? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #34
I'm not British leftynyc Jun 2016 #40
"We ignore the problems people see with migrants and immigration at our peril"... WTF!? uponit7771 Jun 2016 #41
That's very PC of you leftynyc Jun 2016 #44
OK if its PC as long as its rooted in reality and tells the truth, MOST societies that were for... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #54
Is it too PC of me to ask you to back up that claim with some evidence? Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #142
Evidence of this claim? AngryAmish Jun 2016 #66
America uponit7771 Jun 2016 #68
And yet it was also strong with Jim Crow. Igel Jun 2016 #146
Not as strong as it is without it uponit7771 Jun 2016 #147
The point is that they're blaming these problems on POC forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #20
THEIR point is leftynyc Jun 2016 #33
That's usually cover for human tribalism, I don't see an issue with that if there's no critical mass uponit7771 Jun 2016 #39
With the British pound crashing leftynyc Jun 2016 #42
I'm talking about the immigration unfairness outlined in your response... not the Brexit vote uponit7771 Jun 2016 #57
But it is at critical mass TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #51
It wasn't this way BEFORE "immigrants"? tia... I remember when I lived in Europe UK housing was.... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #59
Well, I lived in England TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #71
You have any evidence that the expensive housing was caused by immigrants? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #72
Multiple reasons, actually TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #85
A link would suite me better than claims, tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #87
Who's responsible for that? Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #77
See my post 85. Multiple reasons for housing shortage TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #89
Well, for start, you can trace the shortage of social housing to the Thatcher years. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #94
I believe I very simply said the same thing TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #98
Maybe it's because I read your OP: Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #110
Yes, something is going on TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #118
But this is the myth of austerity used to promote good old divide and conquer tactics. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #126
I disagree about the taxes. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #129
In my locality, that's just not true. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #134
Same for a lot of immigrants in this country TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #140
The problem is they're just factually wrong Recursion Jun 2016 #83
EU migrants are almost all white whatthehey Jun 2016 #45
Thank you! TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #52
Semantics, they stoked human tribalism to get the leave vote... who cares the shade of skin and uponit7771 Jun 2016 #62
I don't think correcting an assumption about "POC" is just semantics really. whatthehey Jun 2016 #65
the subthread related to immigrants whether they'er PoC or not its the bases of human... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #74
You do know posts are linked to the one they responded to right? whatthehey Jun 2016 #76
"EU migrants are almost all white"... was not a counter to the point involving PoC? tia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #79
Of course it was! And they are NOT POC. How fucking simpler can I make it? whatthehey Jun 2016 #80
true PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #109
the housing lists are based on need and family situation PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #104
I agree. See post 85 TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #105
+1, Trump and Putin supported Brexit ... bout all I need to know about it uponit7771 Jun 2016 #13
This claim appears to be untrue! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #46
link... "weak economies" has always been his position even though he didn't weigh on it during this uponit7771 Jun 2016 #49
So the above post is untrue as I said!! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #82
Envy and anger are great motivators that solve nothing BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #8
The article wasn't about solutions TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #91
My opinion is it's a stressful time in Europe and political profiteering BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #99
You're messing up the poutrage... sendero Jun 2016 #11
Donald Trump thanks you for your vote. forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #21
Only stupid people... sendero Jun 2016 #22
The point is that the "white working class anti-establishment populism" thing is forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #23
Oh, for goodness' sake. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #26
Your insinuation is insulting angrychair Jun 2016 #86
No, I'm insuiating that a lot of what is driving "populist anger" forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #155
Poles are POC? (n/t) SMC22307 Jun 2016 #154
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #149
Trump and Putin supported Brexit ... bout all I need to know about it uponit7771 Jun 2016 #12
Thanks swhisper1 Jun 2016 #15
Congrats on one of the few posts that addressed the issues. FLPanhandle Jun 2016 #19
+1 Agree. nt jonno99 Jun 2016 #95
Brexit supported by Trump. Enuf said! leftofcool Jun 2016 #24
No, that's not enough. And it's no substitute for thought. Marr Jun 2016 #114
Uh huh. Or just racism, mostly. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #28
Great post!! Kilgore Jun 2016 #30
I lived in England TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #37
Same experience Kilgore Jun 2016 #70
Tea kettle absurdity TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #75
"Tea kettle absurdity" - Yep, we wouldn't put up with something like that here in the US - Oh jonno99 Jun 2016 #96
Back at you. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #100
i live in England PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #106
I would more accurately describe that TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #108
i have a realistic view PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #112
Good analysis. Same thing here, but they won't listen. closeupready Jun 2016 #31
and the media is presenting this saying it is all about immigration. RDANGELO Jun 2016 #32
In other words it's a mix of Sanders AND Trump voters concerns flamingdem Jun 2016 #36
Yes, it's the same in Wales. geardaddy Jun 2016 #88
I have a cousin in Cornwall Freddie Jun 2016 #136
Didn't know about that flamingdem Jun 2016 #137
This is why Socialism doesn't work Yavin4 Jun 2016 #38
The problem here isn't socialism; it's globalization. RDANGELO Jun 2016 #48
The problem here is that "other people" are getting benefits Yavin4 Jun 2016 #50
The uk has the worst income inequality in the world except for the US. RDANGELO Jun 2016 #53
Brexit won because of xenophobia Yavin4 Jun 2016 #55
The xenophobia point is true, we have polls that prove it. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #73
It's why growth is required, whether that's capitalism, or socialism, or whatever The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #60
I would add communication to your energy argument Yavin4 Jun 2016 #122
So, because racism and white privilege frazzled Jun 2016 #47
Vast majority of EU immigrants are white kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #61
Is a desire to stop immigration always racist? David__77 Jun 2016 #107
It's most certainly bigotry frazzled Jun 2016 #120
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #56
Typical of Americans elljay Jun 2016 #101
thanks Bucky Jun 2016 #63
People all over the world are fucking pissed at the systems of corruption. phazed0 Jun 2016 #64
Britain is the 5th largest economy Geronimoe Jun 2016 #78
Those in England who can't afford to retire in France geardaddy Jun 2016 #84
Thanks for that. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #90
This is going to be a mess! And ... ananda Jun 2016 #92
TPP played directly into this PatrynXX Jun 2016 #93
You nailed it Prism Jun 2016 #97
Shows how out of touch people are TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #102
More upper middleclass types shouting 'racist' at everyone who disagrees with their Marr Jun 2016 #113
Exactly Populist_Prole Jun 2016 #119
Time for the Brexit voters to reread Animal Farm...for the umpteenth time. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #115
you are quoting the Telegraph PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #117
There was a big fuss a year or so ago Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #131
i don't read the rw rags PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #133
K&R. Duval Jun 2016 #121
Thanks for posting this. kiva Jun 2016 #130
they were also lied to by the 'leave' campaign..... spanone Jun 2016 #139
If Dems get one message from this Brexit vote it should be.. Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #143
It's going to get scary down the line. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #145
75% of the younger group wanted to stay because they grew up in the freedom to travel to Sunlei Jun 2016 #148
This is why. HuckleB Jun 2016 #150
are there any brits or americans in england here certainot Jun 2016 #151
austerity did not help. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #153
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