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hardluck

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74. A compromise

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 02:59 PM

Jun 2016

Seeing as we are bartering on which bill of rights provisions we are keeping and getting rid of, how about a compromise. We add due process protections to those on the watch lists pursuant to the 5th amendment but we take away the 3rd amendment protections from those on the watch list? Then we can quarter soldiers in at their houses to keep an eye on them.

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ACLU's Most Recent Statement on No Fly No Buy Lists. [View all] jtx Jun 2016 OP

So the ACLU puts rights above safety scscholar Jun 2016 #1

I really really hope this is sarcasm. tritsofme Jun 2016 #3

Except they don't REP Jun 2016 #7

They admit in their quote that "freedom from unlawful searches" and "due process..." scscholar Jun 2016 #9

Still hoping this is sarcasm n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #10

Do you know latin? sarisataka Jun 2016 #11

Sorry, but that's the wave of the future. Igel Jun 2016 #40

Or knee jerk reaction that if it's a ferin language it must be bad greiner3 Jun 2016 #73

Fine. You can let LEO search your home without a warrant. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #29

I already do have to allow random, warrantless searches. scscholar Jun 2016 #36

That's untrue. They must give 24 hours notice before entering except in cases of emergency. REP Jun 2016 #37

Pesky facts again Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #41

I know. I'm such an ass for dragging those into the discussion! REP Jun 2016 #42

Laughable. The landlord inspecting his property is *not* the government. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #55

It is *not* the landlord doing the inspection scscholar Jun 2016 #58

Building inspections are not "Unreasonable" searches under law. They aren't even a search. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #66

So, a government employee searching your home is not a search? scscholar Jun 2016 #71

I see now, you are being deliberately obtuse. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #72

Guess you're not from the "give me liberty or give me death" crowd? thesquanderer Jun 2016 #39

if this isn't sarcasm you have truly went off the deep end AntiBank Jun 2016 #50

There was a place called East Germany, had a police force called the Stasi. They operated jtuck004 Jun 2016 #53

A compromise hardluck Jun 2016 #74

So did everyone that signed both the Declaration and the Constitution. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #22

No that's what democracy is all about. Innocent until proven guilty. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30

Maybe "Safety at all costs!" works for you. Not for me. cheapdate Jun 2016 #34

It seems that suspending due process is fine as long as it only applies to certain people REP Jun 2016 #38

Let me tell you something then! Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #59

Much as they did with Citizens United. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #68

As it should. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #69

I side with the ACLU Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #2

Right on JackInGreen Jun 2016 #4

ACLU's letter to Senators - full text jtx Jun 2016 #5

K&R n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #6

I am very very pro gun control choie Jun 2016 #8

The watchlisting system is no more accurate Downwinder Jun 2016 #12

B... but, GUNZ!! Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #13

Plenty of liberals own guns n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #14

Me included. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #17

My bad SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #19

Not at all. A due reminder. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #25

Yes of course, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21

The requirements of prohibition are bashing the Constitution. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #23

That's how I think of it. Igel Jun 2016 #43

When did everyone embrace the no fly list? TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #15

Some of us citizens is getting randomly killed. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #20

Your response is nonsensical. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #27

This is about preserving the 2nd Amendment unimpeded. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #31

There are hundreds of things we could do that don't violate the 5th Amendment, or the 4th, etc NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #32

The known or suspected terrorists on the 'no fly list'... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #35

So you think that this super-secret government list TeddyR Jun 2016 #45

The Collins amendment. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #47

Apologies TeddyR Jun 2016 #49

'Known or suspected terrorists'... like Senator Edward Kennedy? John Poet Jun 2016 #64

When Obama took office. When Bush crapped on the Constitution, BAD! Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #24

It really gives lie to their claim of principles, doesn't it? X_Digger Jun 2016 #33

It's infuriating. These people are calling themselves Democrats. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #54

It has to start with something IronLionZion Jun 2016 #52

ACLU- sarisataka Jun 2016 #16

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. baldguy Jun 2016 #18

How 'bout that Cornyn (R)? Why, I never knew. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #26

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact" NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #28

The city of Chicago TeddyR Jun 2016 #46

Piss on due process...lock those fuckers up now! jmg257 Jun 2016 #48

And this "trial by jury" nonsense LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #56

Not being able to buy a gun **IS NOT** equivalent to being put in prison. baldguy Jun 2016 #63

So supporting due process TeddyR Jun 2016 #67

. baldguy Jun 2016 #70

There right UnFettered Jun 2016 #44

I bet a lot of people forgot about the no fly list issues IronLionZion Jun 2016 #51

I have to agree with the ACLU bluestateguy Jun 2016 #57

weren't these the guys blowing money on suing an elementary school for MisterP Jun 2016 #60

ACLU wants to protect civil liberties Democat Jun 2016 #61

Yeah, I'm an old Democrat, but new to DU, LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #75

Yet more sabotage dickthegrouch Jun 2016 #62

Shills for the NRA...don't they realize rights are overrated? ileus Jun 2016 #65