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24. The EU situation is not the same as our situation

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 03:32 PM

Jun 2016

The media likes to paint it as that because they are invested in the status quo. But in reality common people are quite concerned in Europe about what the EU institution itself is becoming and they feel that it is distant and unrepresentative.

People love what it represents, but the reality has become quite different as it has become a technocracy.

How do you reform an institution like the EU when most of the organization behind it is not not a product of democratic will?

Most in the US have very little understanding of what the "EU" is. It is a superfederal government without accountability to voters.

It is the institution, not the community, that people voted against.

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As a British citizen, I am oscillating between sadness and rage: Brexit is the worst of times [View all] DonViejo Jun 2016 OP

^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #1

we have to make sure the US media doesn't let the tRumpians spew their lies here unfettered uponit7771 Jun 2016 #2

too late. spanone Jun 2016 #14

lol SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #49

I suppose these nefarious characters are also influencing Italy, Spain,Netherlands and all countries swhisper1 Jun 2016 #51

AIR WATER FOOD SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #55

All the stuff the UK buys from countries of the EU will now cost much more. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #3

not true not for two years after declaration. It is not declared yet swhisper1 Jun 2016 #52

Thanks for posting TubbersUK Jun 2016 #4

Think way back on when austerity was pushed by the EU and the UK fasttense Jun 2016 #17

I've been in the midst of it for weeks TubbersUK Jun 2016 #38

that was a disaster swhisper1 Jun 2016 #53

Ditto ... it seems that lots of BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #47

I don't understand LW support for this. whatthehey Jun 2016 #5

The way I see it is they're cheering that Banksters/Corporations are finally gonna get theirs! Yes! justiceischeap Jun 2016 #6

Minor quibble, possibly just inference whatthehey Jun 2016 #7

That's what I meant. :) justiceischeap Jun 2016 #8

Because he hates Britain so much he should just bugger off. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2016 #9

The media spin is interesting. They don't want to admit that part of the reason this passed newthinking Jun 2016 #23

"their concerns over immigration had been ignored" - Is this not true? nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #10

It is true. 840high Jun 2016 #16

Most Trump supporters think "their concerns over immigration had been ignored". pampango Jun 2016 #22

The EU situation is not the same as our situation newthinking Jun 2016 #24

The "distant and unrepresentative" bureaucracy in Washington is what conservatives here always pampango Jun 2016 #29

You get to vote for two houses and a pres and vp. newthinking Jun 2016 #32

But we don't vote for the bureaucrats. Conservatives love to complain about them. pampango Jun 2016 #35

almost a corporation swhisper1 Jun 2016 #54

To try and equate this to the US is ignorant of the situation, respectfully. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #26

Older conservatives are uncomfortable with immigration all over the world. Immigrants pampango Jun 2016 #31

The situation is a 'bit' more complex than that phazed0 Jun 2016 #33

Voters over 50 voted Leave. Voters under 50 voted Remain. pampango Jun 2016 #36

Good lord, dude phazed0 Jun 2016 #37

Immigration in the UK is less than every Western European country other than Finland and Denmark. pampango Jun 2016 #39

Have you read what the European Left is saying newthinking Jun 2016 #56

The Left imagines a "more democratic EU". So do I. The far-right imagines no EU at all. pampango Jun 2016 #57

People are really caught up in the narrative. newthinking Jun 2016 #34

Jesus, this. nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #11

As I understand it, its just a mandate by the people elmac Jun 2016 #12

Hard to believe... davidthegnome Jun 2016 #13

Next thing you know, they'll want you to build a wall. tclambert Jun 2016 #15

It's not really "just" about immigration. That is a "Narrative". newthinking Jun 2016 #25

It seems that some are already regretting their votes. mr blur Jun 2016 #18

Well, Mandy, too freaking late now! hatrack Jun 2016 #40

Trump is happy. That should say it all. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #19

Thats all I need to know workinclasszero Jun 2016 #27

Dunno, but the "leave" crowd.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #41

Don't take this personally, but... Fritz Walter Jun 2016 #20

The market was down about 3% today. former9thward Jun 2016 #42

3% can be significant Fritz Walter Jun 2016 #43

So you really do think it will never go back up... former9thward Jun 2016 #44

I never say "never" Fritz Walter Jun 2016 #46

The media does not do a good job of explaining why this all is happening newthinking Jun 2016 #21

+1 phazed0 Jun 2016 #28

You state it so simply Hydra Jun 2016 #48

Ha! The correct question right there. katsy Jun 2016 #30

vultures enid602 Jun 2016 #45

Thank you for this, Don.. Cha Jun 2016 #50