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Haveadream

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187. I understand what you are saying better now

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:09 PM

Jun 2016

When the OP says, "when it comes to what is best for black people, white people should mind their business", for you:

"that sounds like an attempt for them to have carte blanche to [behave] outside of acceptable social norms... and then act indignant when called out on it".

I don't see where that is implied by the OP or the article at all. I see people not wanting their culture to be defined by someone else's or a white version of "norm". Expecting everyone to integrate or wholesale assimilate into a white, christian, heterosexual, northern European, middle class average is not just unreasonable, it ruins what makes our country interesting and exceptional.We are not a homogenous country and attempts to make everyone conform to a standard defined by some is unfair.

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When it comes to what's best for Black People, it's time for White People to mind their business [View all] bravenak Jun 2016 OP

Preach! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #1

Hey!! bravenak Jun 2016 #2

pssst... yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #146

Heeyyy!! bravenak Jun 2016 #182

Never give up. Note, friend, we are still here. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #3

We are. Many have found other places... bravenak Jun 2016 #4

I feel terrible for the women on that site. Imagine trying to be taken seriously msanthrope Jun 2016 #5

The b-word too, among other nastiness bravenak Jun 2016 #7

Sexism towards one woman means sexism towards all. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #10

I agree bravenak Jun 2016 #17

which site? runaway hero Jun 2016 #203

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Are you following her around on the internet? KMOD Jun 2016 #18

Of course. bravenak Jun 2016 #19

Your fan club is KMOD Jun 2016 #22

Gawd, I know. And persistant. Off topic. It's just weird at this point. bravenak Jun 2016 #24

No, I was just reading this thread and thought that post was ironic. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #21

But...but we're only trying to help! randome Jun 2016 #6

Oh yes. They can do us a solid and vote against Trump and not let him win. bravenak Jun 2016 #8

That's why I cannot understand those who want to sit out the election. randome Jun 2016 #9

I see it as a form of revenge against us for voting a certain way bravenak Jun 2016 #14

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #155

You will of course, provide us with an accurate example of such, yes? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #160

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And letting the country go to hell will teach that Brock guy a lesson? bigbrother05 Jun 2016 #173

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For close to 10 months, we (PoC) were told ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #178

Recommended. guillaumeb Jun 2016 #11

That's what I see too bravenak Jun 2016 #16

Liking this thread and replies. I have felt the undercurrent of some Bohunk68 Jun 2016 #39

Exactly, you got that right! bravenak Jun 2016 #42

This is just one of the reasons I love you. William769 Jun 2016 #12

Love you too!!! bravenak Jun 2016 #15

Not that I don't understand, but ... surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #20

The only way we can 'work together' it is let me decide what's best for me and you to decide bravenak Jun 2016 #23

THIS Bohunk68 Jun 2016 #41

This is pretty much what I was saying. surrealAmerican Jun 2016 #60

Why is this so hard to understand? mcar Jun 2016 #63

If you don't understand Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #53

Kinda looking forward to progress gwheezie Jun 2016 #105

K & R wysi Jun 2016 #25

You mean African Americans can think independently? I LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!! still_one Jun 2016 #26

I know, right? bravenak Jun 2016 #28

...................... still_one Jun 2016 #29

Did you figure that out just recently? jack_krass Jun 2016 #96

My comment was sarcasm directed at those who presume to know what is best for an ethnic group, that still_one Jun 2016 #97

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three fictions. 1. white & black people are separate. 2. either group is uniform Bucky Jun 2016 #27

I don't think the point was to imply that we are a monolith bravenak Jun 2016 #30

This right here - JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #126

It would be hell to go backwards like some want to do. We know this. I sometimes think they do too. bravenak Jun 2016 #177

Excellent observation n/t susanr516 Jun 2016 #216

I try ... at 54, I am still a work in progress etherealtruth Jun 2016 #31

I think we all get it wrong sometimes, but at least we give it a try and try some more. bravenak Jun 2016 #33

I'm still getting it wrong MFM008 Jun 2016 #111

Yup. ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #32

Hey! bravenak Jun 2016 #34

Hey you! ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #50

Amen! treestar Jun 2016 #35

They really are stupid as hell. Trump is a CON ARTIST. I keep trying to explain that to folks. bravenak Jun 2016 #37

Love this! Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #36

Me too! Lol. bravenak Jun 2016 #38

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Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #43

Bye. bravenak Jun 2016 #44

Lord, I hope so. I was on the jury and OH HELL NO. nolabear Jun 2016 #45

He's gone. Will be back to see me again, I'm sure. bravenak Jun 2016 #47

If we agree fine malaise Jun 2016 #46

I feel the same. bravenak Jun 2016 #48

I could not agree more Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #49

It has been a difficult year in blackness bravenak Jun 2016 #52

I agree completely. Whites have no more business determining your needs, desires, dreams any floriduck Jun 2016 #56

I hope we find a way bravenak Jun 2016 #58

I hear you, bravenak. floriduck Jun 2016 #61

Great post, bravenak! brer cat Jun 2016 #79

I agree that contact lessens fears bravenak Jun 2016 #80

Agree with you... mia Jun 2016 #212

K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #51

Posted to for later reading. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #54

K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #55

I'll bear this in mind as I continue to do whatever I think is right. cheapdate Jun 2016 #57

Makes sense. bravenak Jun 2016 #59

K&R mcar Jun 2016 #62

... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #64

Does this not imply that "my business" is what's best for white people? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #65

No. It's really quite a simple concept. KMOD Jun 2016 #67

It can becomes a lot less simple when different groups occupy the whathehell Jun 2016 #200

so true DustyJoe Jun 2016 #72

You're again conflating "imply" and "infer LanternWaste Jun 2016 #161

No, I am not. I draw inference from her implication. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #201

"Black folks are beginning to no longer center whiteness in their dress, speech and lifestyle choice Number23 Jun 2016 #66

Me too! We needed this. bravenak Jun 2016 #73

Excellent. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #68

KICK because truth is truth. raven mad Jun 2016 #69

K&R! Haveadream Jun 2016 #70

K&R fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #71

Why doesn't your quote include the portions bad mouthing democratic candidates? Taitertots Jun 2016 #74

I used the quotes I wanted to use. bravenak Jun 2016 #77

I'm going to report the OP for linking to anti-democratic candidate websites Taitertots Jun 2016 #112

Nobody claimed anybody was a white supremacist. bravenak Jun 2016 #113

It's in the article that YOU linked to in the OP Taitertots Jun 2016 #114

It talked about the black view of the candidates. bravenak Jun 2016 #116

Calling it "the black view" doesn't change that fact that it's bashing... Taitertots Jun 2016 #117

This was a critique bravenak Jun 2016 #118

that one heaven05 Jun 2016 #193

Yeah, I think we are seeing more hurt feelings than anything else. bravenak Jun 2016 #195

Defense mechanisms KMOD Jun 2016 #128

People are naturally defensive when other people are offensive Taitertots Jun 2016 #162

some behaviour was. Follow the link in the article to read it. KMOD Jun 2016 #166

So, your basic issue here is you're still upset about WillyT. Thanks for clarifying. nt Electric Monk Jun 2016 #167

No. That's not my basic issue. KMOD Jun 2016 #168

I understand from your posts that you think it's ok to be racist against white people. Electric Monk Jun 2016 #170

I have know idea where you got that from, KMOD Jun 2016 #171

What I saw in the main was that POC supported HRC because of name recognition Ligyron Jun 2016 #189

The reason that saying Clinton policies hurt us did not work is because bravenak Jun 2016 #196

I did not know that Ligyron Jun 2016 #215

K&R Gothmog Jun 2016 #75

Damn right rbrnmw Jun 2016 #76

Juche. Igel Jun 2016 #78

Not quite bravenak Jun 2016 #81

Sounds good to me Orrex Jun 2016 #82

I like having you in the discussion bravenak Jun 2016 #83

Thanks! I'm glad to participate! Orrex Jun 2016 #88

I think most people would agree that if you flipped those it'd be blatantly racist. Electric Monk Jun 2016 #84

That's how identity politics works Democat Jun 2016 #85

Donald Trump thanks you for your vote. forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #122

I believe in inclusion, not exclusion Democat Jun 2016 #135

Yes or no? No, of course. kwassa Jun 2016 #86

Really? You're in denial that classifying like that is racism, practically by definition? Electric Monk Jun 2016 #87

I don't understand this response. kwassa Jun 2016 #91

I don't understand yours. You're saying it's ok to be racist against white people, because? Electric Monk Jun 2016 #92

Institutional racism has benefited you. kwassa Jun 2016 #99

I will concede that point, to some degree. My point still stands, that racism can varied. nt Electric Monk Jun 2016 #100

If only race X were different, all would be right in the world. That's racism, pure and simple. nt Electric Monk Jun 2016 #89

No. betsuni Jun 2016 #93

Looks racist to me. jack_krass Jun 2016 #104

I think you missed the point of the article KMOD Jun 2016 #130

The OP is not Black People telling White People how they should act, speak, etc? Electric Monk Jun 2016 #134

No. It's not black people telling white people how to act. KMOD Jun 2016 #137

It's not telling white people how to act, it's just telling white people how to act. Ok, got it now. Electric Monk Jun 2016 #138

Clearly, you don't. KMOD Jun 2016 #139

You don't see your own double standard. That's the irony here. nt Electric Monk Jun 2016 #141

Can you answer my question? KMOD Jun 2016 #143

Flip that on it's head and think about how rediculous a statement it is. Electric Monk Jun 2016 #144

The article is not telling white people what is best for them. KMOD Jun 2016 #147

Am I telling "black people" what is best for them? I share my opinions on what I think is best Electric Monk Jun 2016 #148

sharing your opinion is great. KMOD Jun 2016 #149

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #150

She has been patiently, and persistantly trying to get people KMOD Jun 2016 #152

No melman Jun 2016 #158

Yes, history, but what is happening now is BULLYING of bravenak. It has gone beyond "context". Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #180

Would you have preferred it if William Lloyd Garrison, John Greenleaf Whittier, and Electric Monk Jun 2016 #151

You continue to take offense at bits and pieces and are KMOD Jun 2016 #153

We can end this subthread here if you like. I think that you totally missed my point, though. nt Electric Monk Jun 2016 #154

Sure. But I didn't miss your point. KMOD Jun 2016 #156

Yeah, you really did. If it was about "Black people" or "Asian people" or "Native people" or Electric Monk Jun 2016 #157

The article is not telling you how to behave. KMOD Jun 2016 #159

Perfect. Thank you. bravenak Jun 2016 #183

lol melman Jun 2016 #140

Or how about "listen to" not "talk at"? pnwmom Jun 2016 #90

That works for me!! bravenak Jun 2016 #94

Unrec.Stupid, divisive crap article. jack_krass Jun 2016 #95

and that makes it right? smh uponit7771 Jun 2016 #108

I think that's a lesson some of us are learning from the primary. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #98

we welcome all to the Sanders revolution SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #101

A sloppy article... MellowDem Jun 2016 #103

Blaxit from white centered culture begins, it aint gonna be pretty in the short term uponit7771 Jun 2016 #106

Blaxit! betsuni Jun 2016 #107

Yep. But it must be done. bravenak Jun 2016 #109

+1, The right will fight the inertia but few listen to them now in regards to race seeing tRump is uponit7771 Jun 2016 #127

Ha! Nt Quayblue Jun 2016 #125

K&R. lunamagica Jun 2016 #110

Sounds like an attempt to have carte blanche to act however... TipTok Jun 2016 #115

Your statement would be spot on KMOD Jun 2016 #131

Not sure why people cannot "act however" Haveadream Jun 2016 #133

My "however" implied behavior outside of acceptable social norms... TipTok Jun 2016 #145

I understand what you are saying better now Haveadream Jun 2016 #187

k & r lovemydog Jun 2016 #119

The article subtly ties Sanders to white supremacy. I read that as dog-whistle anti-semitism. redgreenandblue Jun 2016 #120

and his supporters "Bernie Sanders supporters engage in behavior rooted in white supremacy" bunnies Jun 2016 #124

It does no such thing. KMOD Jun 2016 #132

She has been even more blatant about it in the past. Not subtle (dog-whistle) at all. Electric Monk Jun 2016 #136

Not subtle at all melman Jun 2016 #142

Agreed the paternalistric attitude that some on the left have for black people craigmatic Jun 2016 #121

K&R betsuni Jun 2016 #123

White women generally do not support Donald Trump. lostnfound Jun 2016 #129

If you don't like sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #164

All whites benefit from their whiteness. Period. bravenak Jun 2016 #181

Hurt feelings? sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #184

Not the same thing at all bravenak Jun 2016 #185

Forget it. If you ever want sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #188

That is called poverty bravenak Jun 2016 #190

This is 2016, not 1916, sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #191

They had the 'privilege' of living on stolen land while the original inhabitants were removed bravenak Jun 2016 #194

It's been thosuands of years sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #197

How often were people removed just because of the color of their skin? bravenak Jun 2016 #198

Most of the time people are removed sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #208

In this case the conquerors (privileged) were the new white folks and the (oppressed) were bravenak Jun 2016 #209

The whites who conquered America sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #210

They did come thousands of miles to oppress poc bravenak Jun 2016 #211

The overwhelming majority sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #213

That does not change the history of oppression and the fact that they come to take the land of the bravenak Jun 2016 #214

I live in very poor, rural upstate NY, and while I know the white poor have advantages adigal Jun 2016 #204

Nobody told you to shut up bravenak Jun 2016 #205

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood. I was mostly reading the comments. :) nt adigal Jun 2016 #206

It's cool bravenak Jun 2016 #207

There is nothing privileged elljay Jun 2016 #186

Is this about the Brexit? egduj Jun 2016 #165

Of course not. bravenak Jun 2016 #199

Well said, Bravenak... secondwind Jun 2016 #169

Sounds like a plan... jmg257 Jun 2016 #172

And should Black People mind their own business? kiva Jun 2016 #175

Most of those posts are from- White people.... bravenak Jun 2016 #179

Just tell us and we'll do it. HassleCat Jun 2016 #176

as usual heaven05 Jun 2016 #192

I agree runaway hero Jun 2016 #202