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57. Was your mom a working, single mother with 5 other kids?

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Fri Jun 24, 2016, 04:45 PM

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Woman Who Spanked Her Children With Belt After She Caught Them Stealing Gets Arrested And Sets Off.. [View all] Purveyor Jun 2016 OP

Leaving marks anoNY42 Jun 2016 #1

As bad as this sound, sometimes when spanking kids that old they don't sit stil and are "dancing" Seeinghope Jun 2016 #5

Destroying the family unit anoNY42 Jun 2016 #21

You apparently think everybody is a clone of you. Demit Jun 2016 #28

I'd inaccurately infer as much also to if it validated my biases. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #35

I was spanked and side 840high Jun 2016 #131

I'm right there with you-as a liberal. Thank you for your wisdom! cornball 24 Jun 2016 #23

Yeah, it's so hard to understand why people would harshly judge vicious beatings of children. kcr Jun 2016 #39

VICIOUS! First time I heard or read that cornball 24 Jun 2016 #53

Really!? kcr Jun 2016 #85

Perhaps you should be on the Trump Train cornball 24 Jun 2016 #115

I apologize kcr Jun 2016 #118

Vicious? I've seen cases of children beaten to death. This was perhaps abusive, but vicious? Shrike47 Jun 2016 #83

I'm glad I haven't been so hardened, then. kcr Jun 2016 #86

Vicious?? Good Lord, my parents would have been in jail then!!!! adigal Jun 2016 #89

Maybe they might have been!!! kcr Jun 2016 #93

That is just really offensive and asshole-ish to say adigal Jun 2016 #104

I don't know your parents kcr Jun 2016 #109

In my opinion, shoving your kids in front of a video while traveling with them adigal Jun 2016 #152

So, where do computers factor in? kcr Jun 2016 #156

My point is that using videos/TV to neglect your kids is damaging, too adigal Jun 2016 #160

How do people use videos and tv to neglect their children? kcr Jun 2016 #162

The kids are zoned out, mommy and daddy talk on their cell phones, there is no conversation adigal Jun 2016 #165

Well, I might have one and not know it. Seeing as I don't even know what you're talking about. kcr Jun 2016 #169

What kind of bias do you think a magazine called "The Scientific Parent" is going to have?? adigal Jun 2016 #172

What do you mean? What part of the name got your dander up? The Scientific or the Parent? kcr Jun 2016 #175

Evidence based? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #178

"None of us were scarred from a spanking." Who are you speaking for? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #114

Jail for the kids is better. DCFS for the kids is better. Foster care is better. Kids having to Seeinghope Jun 2016 #151

Yes, this argument is not new. kcr Jun 2016 #153

Oh please this woman used the belt on three boys who were preteens and a teenager. My mother Seeinghope Jun 2016 #176

Holy fucking shit! Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #177

I don't care whether or not abuse "works", or if the victim turned out okay kcr Jun 2016 #181

Magic words "to me" and that is what it is..an opinion ....to you that the "newly evolved" have Seeinghope Jun 2016 #223

Yes, people decided to make it a crime. That's how it works. Laws don't spring up out of the ground kcr Jun 2016 #228

Computers that can rig elections. Mass media skilfully hand feeding chosen information for specific Seeinghope Jun 2016 #247

Yeah. How about parenting classes? TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #41

If she needs it, social services absolutely should be helping her, but kcr Jun 2016 #48

I used "social services" TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #58

Either way, my point remains. kcr Jun 2016 #62

spanking is not child abuse swhisper1 Jun 2016 #126

Okay. Very good. kcr Jun 2016 #127

Inflicting bodily harm does not rehabilitate anyone Tsiyu Jun 2016 #24

There's an age when spanking just won't work any more than punching their faces. Ilsa Jun 2016 #29

The family unit is not strengthened when parents beat their kids Warpy Jun 2016 #30

I grew up during a time when seat belts were as rare as drinking and driving laws. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #32

No one of any age sits still when they're being beaten. That's why that "sounds" "bad". kcr Jun 2016 #33

There is no, no, no good reason to whip or paddle children. Period. End of story. pnwmom Jun 2016 #44

Anyone who does that in front of me is going ot be in for a surprise anigbrowl Jun 2016 #74

I guess my old man should be in jail CanonRay Jun 2016 #52

Did your parents ever leave marks??? Mine did. So did my husband's parents. adigal Jun 2016 #87

if they hold the buckle, there will be no scarring, welts go away swhisper1 Jun 2016 #133

Wow, you are giving a how-to on how to abuse kids and not be caught, what the fuck? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #136

it is not abuse. If I caught my kid stealing or with a gun, I would use a horsewhip swhisper1 Jun 2016 #139

Yeah, that's child abuse. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #143

you are entitled to your opinion, of course, no need to reply swhisper1 Jun 2016 #146

Of course there's a need to reply, you are advocating child abuse, what the fuck type of person... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #148

You can't make a general statement like "It doesn't work." adigal Jun 2016 #158

You were afraid of your mother hitting you? And you think that's normal? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #166

It kept me out of jail, teen pregnancy, doing heroin or other bad drugs in the early and mid 70s adigal Jun 2016 #170

What about all those kids who were spanked/abused who did go through all those... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #174

Yep, and those posts are exactly why it has to be illegal. kcr Jun 2016 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Jun 2016 #188

Physical "discipline" doesn't work, B.F. Skinner is not the end all, be all on this issue... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Jun 2016 #206

These kids were beaten with a belt, at best, the lesson taken away here is that they may... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #207

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Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #218

ABA has a bad rap, but even with its roots in Skinnerism, it doesn't promote spanking. kcr Jun 2016 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Jun 2016 #202

Evidence for your claims? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Jun 2016 #214

You do this a lot, you make unsupported claims, then fail to link to studies... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #217

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Jun 2016 #245

Well, I'm not a scientist. I don't test theories. kcr Jun 2016 #225

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This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #211

Using any type of weapon, even the hand, I would argue is abusive... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #213

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.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #134

Abuser rightly jailed and kids taken away from her, where's the controversy? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #2

Spanking is for consenting adults Major Nikon Jun 2016 #3

Exactly. Not to mention the research on spanking seems to point to it being damaging... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #6

It's amazing at how many people are so heavily invested in the idea that beating children works Major Nikon Jun 2016 #61

No shit, its survivor bias run amok. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #71

It's amazing that on a Democratic website that many people are so heavily invested in the idea that FSogol Jun 2016 #98

Not necessarily scscholar Jun 2016 #13

The idea that adults can't consent to spanking each other is ridiculous Major Nikon Jun 2016 #18

To a point, yes. kcr Jun 2016 #34

Obviously it's not the same thing. Consenting adults is what makes it not the same thing. Major Nikon Jun 2016 #42

No kcr Jun 2016 #45

And yet consenting adults are beating each others asses all over the world even as we speak Major Nikon Jun 2016 #56

Yeah. People do illegal things all the time. kcr Jun 2016 #63

Sure, like consensual sodomy Major Nikon Jun 2016 #101

I'm not going to equate consensual sex with assault kcr Jun 2016 #106

"A person cannot consent to bodily harm. I don't know what is so hard about this" Major Nikon Jun 2016 #119

Every single one of those proves what I said. kcr Jun 2016 #123

Serious bodily harm doesn't come within a cab ride of proving what you said Major Nikon Jun 2016 #129

They ain't, huh? kcr Jun 2016 #138

"Serious bodily harm" is a universal legal standard Major Nikon Jun 2016 #203

So why are people arrested for domestic battery for giving a black eye? kcr Jun 2016 #208

So we went from an ass beating to a black eye Major Nikon Jun 2016 #215

Look, I'm not the one who compared child abuse to adult consensual sexual activity. kcr Jun 2016 #220

Thats true scsholar, it just happened sorefeet Jun 2016 #37

What would you suggest she do instead? Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #8

Not teach her kids that violence resolves problems, or is appropriate punishment for anyone? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #15

So you cheer on her incarceration and removal of her kids. Frankly that's just as unempathetic KittyWampus Jun 2016 #59

Its obvious she and the children need, at the very least, counseling, but the children... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #64

To believe that this woman should be in jail and her kids in foster homes adigal Jun 2016 #95

Do you really think that compares with cheering on child abuse? Major Nikon Jun 2016 #69

loss of privileges, restitution, apologies to victims and police Ilsa Jun 2016 #31

What "privileges"!? uponit7771 Jun 2016 #75

Watching television. Ilsa Jun 2016 #105

Sounds like a good Mom. 840high Jun 2016 #135

Really, a woman raising three wanna be felons whose abuse doesn't seem to work? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #141

You're not in her shoes. 840high Jun 2016 #184

So? Beating children is wrong, period. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #185

To equate spanking with abuse is just such hyperbole adigal Jun 2016 #91

Where is the line between spanking and abuse drawn, in your world? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #112

Hyperbole is equating a pat on the ass to a severe beating Major Nikon Jun 2016 #124

So if a parent spanks a child on the behind, once, and it leaves a red mark adigal Jun 2016 #154

I suggest you read the OP more closely Major Nikon Jun 2016 #210

You've lost all credibility comparing raping a child with hitting them with a belt adigal Jun 2016 #239

I feel the same way about dichotomous thinkers Major Nikon Jun 2016 #240

Hope she gets serious jail time and the kids find decent foster care. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #113

Honestly, its only taken this long to find out this is how she treats her children... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #116

I'm glad my family was never 840high Jun 2016 #137

Child-abusing POS, lock her up. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #4

Right, putting her kids into a totally f***ed up system is much better. Seeinghope Jun 2016 #7

Sure, and people used to think an occasional wife beating was no big deal either Major Nikon Jun 2016 #16

If she gets the kids back yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #22

Nothing stops any teenager from doing this Major Nikon Jun 2016 #46

Yep and when they are involved in some other, possibly more serious crime, they will blame her for puffy socks Jun 2016 #47

I agree yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #50

Parents don't spank anymore, but think it's fine to shove an ipad in front of their 2 year old adigal Jun 2016 #97

I totally agree. We were taught to behave while in a car. We sat at the dinner table and talked as Seeinghope Jun 2016 #167

Instead of locking her up and putting the kids in foster care with strangers, how about Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #10

Bingo Hekate Jun 2016 #11

That only works if the mom is remorseful and willing to change. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #12

But if we do that, then how will we feel righteous and superior? Orrex Jun 2016 #17

Sometimes adults need a time out Major Nikon Jun 2016 #20

Most sensible post on this thread yet! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #67

Naw... naw... its a lot better to punish them so people on line feel good and shit /sarcasm uponit7771 Jun 2016 #79

Using a belt is not spanking: it's beating the kids. That is child abuse. mnhtnbb Jun 2016 #9

My mom grounding me from my Nintendo worked far better than spanking ever did. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #14

This then 13 year shot and killed his mother becasue she took away his game Kaleva Jun 2016 #26

She should have shot him first. Ilsa Jun 2016 #36

lol... you crazy, jail the woman for whooping her kids but do shoot them if they get a gun... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #81

The whole idea that she let a 13yo have Ilsa Jun 2016 #107

Are you implying spanking would have prevented this kid becoming a violent monster? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #49

No. Am saying that every kid is different. Kaleva Jun 2016 #60

Was your mom a working, single mother with 5 other kids? Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #57

Does that excuse what she did? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #68

I just asked you a question. Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #72

I'm not the one you asked. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #73

Whatever Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #76

Single working mom with 2 kids. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #219

Single working mother of 4 here. That's no excuse. laundry_queen Jun 2016 #237

WOW... you had a nintendo!? we had dirt... and we didn't even like it !!! uponit7771 Jun 2016 #80

Correct, those kids were not spanked, they were beaten. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #117

There's also similarities Major Nikon Jun 2016 #242

Opinions vary. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #248

Empirical studies do not Major Nikon Jun 2016 #249

My reading does suggest they also vary. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #250

You can say the same thing about global warming denial Major Nikon Jun 2016 #251

hitting kids with a belt makes them MORE likely to be criminals rollin74 Jun 2016 #19

Getting whipped with a belt, shaving strap, switch, board, broom, etc., Kaleva Jun 2016 #27

I wonder how many grew up to have problems with logic n/t kcr Jun 2016 #40

our mothers drank and smoked while pregnant and we turned out just fine treestar Jun 2016 #54

Seems that people today have more stressers in their lives then before. Kaleva Jun 2016 #65

Seriously?? You think getting hit with a belt a few times causes addiction?? adigal Jun 2016 #100

Being hit with a belt is abuse. I can't believe I have to state this on a so called... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #110

It wasn't abuse for many, many years. And I think videos in cars is abuse. adigal Jun 2016 #149

Whether people substitute technology for parenting, that's no comparison to physical abuse. Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #159

Bullshit. Check out the brain studies. Exposure to technology can do permanent damage to a child's adigal Jun 2016 #161

Uhm, there are quite a few studies showing that child abuse, including spanking... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #164

Here you go - found this one in about 2 seconds adigal Jun 2016 #168

If you'd taken more than two seconds, you'd have seen that's outdated. kcr Jun 2016 #173

I didn't say it causes it, I just said it could be harmful treestar Jun 2016 #155

better to get disciplined by their mother RegexReader Jun 2016 #43

Who says the discipline from the mother would be effective? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #171

The lady in Baltimore deaniac21 Jun 2016 #25

I got the belt as a kid in the 60's Ligyron Jun 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #51

So, white people can be arrested for beating their children, then? kcr Jun 2016 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #88

No. I'm asking you. kcr Jun 2016 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #92

Okay. This thread is about the law, however. kcr Jun 2016 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #99

"Your Honor. When my son is 10. When he screws up, I will whip his ass ..." 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #55

Considering that there is little to no evidence that corporal punishment either improves behavior... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #78

As I stated, people with different historical experience, mayl feel differently ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #84

And let's be honest liberals here, if your kids acted up they would suffer far worse consequences adigal Jun 2016 #102

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #120

I'm sorry that's bullshit, "cultural differences" should NOT be used as cover for abuse... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #125

Its not a question of history, it doesn't matter the color of the victim... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #108

First, there is a difference between being "abused" and "spanked/"whipped" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #121

Really? What's the difference? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #122

If you have to ask, I can't tell you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #130

I'm sorry, did you not admit that you would and have "whipped the ass" of a 10 year old? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #132

Correlation does not imply causation Major Nikon Jun 2016 #230

JUST IN: Louisiana Officials Praise Mother Arrested For Whipping Sons Purveyor Jun 2016 #70

Ugh, this just demonstrates how fucked up this country is in so many different ways.... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #77

Good. 840high Jun 2016 #142

Didn't Ted Cruz openly admit to spanking his kids? ecstatic Jun 2016 #82

To be honest, yes, and Romney should have been arrested for animal abuse, do you have... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #180

The three boys are out of control because they lack a father. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #94

I grew up with just a mother because my father was sadistic asshole and wife abuser. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #103

I would say its likely they lacked structure and/or attention, doesn't have... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #111

They are doing well in school. I think 840high Jun 2016 #144

Someone who used a fucking belt on their kids is, by definition, not a good Mom. Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #145

She is a good Mom - does 840high Jun 2016 #182

You are excusing child abuse, and likely that is what is going to lead to them going to... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #187

Oh, it might also be because their mother resorts to spankings as a form of discipline. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #128

You'll get flack for saying that from some, but I agree. romanic Jun 2016 #140

I think that's bullshit, I had a friend growing up who became a well adjusted man... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #150

I said "good" father figure. romanic Jun 2016 #231

There are a lot of boys without fathers who do not end up committing crimes. treestar Jun 2016 #157

Those without fathers are more likely to grow up to be criminals. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #192

Is it lack of fathers or lack of stability and parental investment in child development? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #197

. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #234

The abuse piece is also associated with negative outcomes Major Nikon Jun 2016 #241

. LeftyMom Jun 2016 #191

A white woman, especially if pretty, wouldn't have been arrested for this adigal Jun 2016 #163

I like how there's an outpouring of support for an abuser, but not the abused... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #179

Many people don't see her as an abuser adigal Jun 2016 #238

Crap. 840high Jun 2016 #183

I would have gotten spanked for stealing when I was a kid... RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #186

Goddamn, I just can't imagine my dad doing that, that's fucked up... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #189

now, it does seem fucked up... RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #196

The evidence suggests that you were lucky to not develop problems... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #198

whew... RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #200

Making it an OP, a lot of people are under the impression that spanking does some good... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #201

Whatever....I got my ass whooped as a child UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #194

But the people who turned out great without beatings kcr Jun 2016 #195

You sound like an abuse victim trying to justify what was done to them, and I'm sorry for you... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #199

I sound like a child who got consequences for making bad choices.... UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #244

Jailing the Mother and Taking away the Children LarryNM Jun 2016 #205

Every kid is different.... TomJulie Jun 2016 #209

So you deserved the abuse? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #212

I find your racing up and down this thread demanding people who see things differently than you do Number23 Jun 2016 #221

I'll be honest and say I'm appalled, absolutely, by some of the stories I read here on this thread.. Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #222

That does seem extreme and it's okay to be appalled. Be as appalled as you want Number23 Jun 2016 #224

.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #232

Many years ago... TomJulie Jun 2016 #236

damned if they do and damned if they don't DustyJoe Jun 2016 #226

Hardly Major Nikon Jun 2016 #233

Another DU thread this evening says 50 years of research shows all "spanking" is harmful. merrily Jun 2016 #227

So a practical better way would be to do what? uponit7771 Jun 2016 #235

Following the advice of virtually every well respected expert on the subject Major Nikon Jun 2016 #243