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Bernardo de La Paz

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6. The Brexit vote was about bigotted fear of immigrants and Brexit liers (UKIP party)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 05:51 PM

Jun 2016

Neoliberalism had precious little to do with it. That doesn't mean the 1% (some of them anyway) don't have a lot to answer for around the world. Just that the Brexit was dominated by lies about immigrants and EuroMyths about losing sovereignty that were fully debunked but repeated anyway.

It also has a lot to do about the Stay side not Getting Out The Young Vote to vote for their future.

The young voted overwhelmingly to stay.

The fearful old-fogeys wanted Britain to be Great Again and voted to Leave. They got out and voted in large numbers.

Look at the bars for Capitalism in this chart. You can put a neoliberal cast on the vote but that is just a fantasy. Better to pay attention to the Immigration bars and the Social Liberalism (Bernie Sanders type of liberalism) bars.

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The real truth is that people across the planet are fed up of [View all] malaise Jun 2016 OP

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LOL malaise Jun 2016 #105

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I think some of it they do get and just cannot let go of the status quo. Rex Jun 2016 #122

I hope I don't offend but religion - globally - is a problem. Tax 'em. George Eliot Jun 2016 #108

....but we don't have 60 votes!!!!! bvar22 Jun 2016 #79

There's a growing middle class worldwide,our problem is sufrommich Jun 2016 #4

No: the problem is financialisation of everything. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #41

Many thrd world countries experienced the heavy hand of corporatists first... George Eliot Jun 2016 #107

Unfortunately we're not in a world of inifinite accessable resources Scootaloo Jun 2016 #78

The real truth is that people who oppose neoliberalism have no plan alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #5

Are you saying you don't oppose neoliberalism? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #8

Yip... ReRe Jun 2016 #36

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I believe that these democrats Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #53

Maybe, but one of the biggest proponents of Neoliberalism was Bill Clinton alarimer Jun 2016 #88

^^^This^^^ libdem4life Jun 2016 #120

All too often this is true. All hat and no cattle. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #9

The elders and working class are fine with everything BUT flamingdem Jun 2016 #10

Chamber of Commerce propaganda arendt Jun 2016 #33

The aspects you name are only part of the total picture of globalism. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #34

Then what, besides the capitalist model, IS the total picture of globalism. If you can't say, then ancianita Jun 2016 #46

The problem is not globalism, the problem is wealth inequality and income inequality. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #62

You've got it right, arendt ReRe Jun 2016 #37

No one is dreaming of returning to the 1950's and shame on you for the nasty rhett o rick Jun 2016 #15

Yeah that was sad, I guess Sanders really pissed off a lot of status quo folks. Rex Jun 2016 #18

They are not interested in discussing the issue but blasting out crap. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #19

It does however do my heart good to see so many young new voters gravitating around BS. Rex Jun 2016 #24

lulz Rex Jun 2016 #16

do you read? NJCher Jun 2016 #54

You have no idea what most of the words and terms you just used actually mean, do you? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #81

? bvar22 Jun 2016 #83

That's currently how I describe myself...an FDR Democrat. libdem4life Jun 2016 #121

The people only have a couple of tools at their disposal. Votes, torches and pitchforks. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #99

What do you mean by neoliberalism? George Eliot Jun 2016 #106

The Brexit vote was about bigotted fear of immigrants and Brexit liers (UKIP party) Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #6

The neo-liberals promote bigotry to keep the masses distracted. They militarize the local rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17

You just took hard evidence that eviscerated your position... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #32

Did you read... ReRe Jun 2016 #45

Another overwrought book that engaged in conspiracy theories... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #56

I see. You didn't read it. ReRe Jun 2016 #65

I know plenty about what "neoliberalism" is ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #75

Wait, what? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #87

Our financial woes are absolutely tied to that... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #115

On last question ReRe Jun 2016 #91

A clue would be that he served as a source of inspiration for Thatcher, Pinochet, and Reagan. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #101

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Well of course not. ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #125

Wrong ReRe Jun 2016 #123

Oh! Sorry. I thought you meant who economists usually use that term about... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #126

Thank you for joining this quizzing... ReRe Jun 2016 #124

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Precisely malaise Jun 2016 #93

Brexit will not significantly impact roomtomove Jun 2016 #23

Or, everyone in the U.K. shenmue Jun 2016 #29

You have got to be kidding. Losing their "colonies", losing markets, libdem4life Jun 2016 #55

Lord Ashcroft's polls are not what they seem - The Telegraph newthinking Jun 2016 #26

Lord Ashcroft's Scottish polling: mums, dodgy sums and naked politics - The Guardian newthinking Jun 2016 #27

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We're on the same side, Bernardo. ReRe Jun 2016 #66

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The real truth Johnny2X2X Jun 2016 #11

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Just like the rest of us malaise Jun 2016 #21

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Pitchforks, torches and rope The Wizard Jun 2016 #38

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