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Mairead

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136. Why should he be due profit rather than salary?

Reply to hack89 (Reply #133)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:22 AM

Jun 2012

If he wants it all, then it's only fair that he do all the work, too.

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The Wealthy Have 'Worked Hard' And Deserve To Keep Their Money [View all] Rozlee Jun 2012 OP

Religion, that's how. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #1

Yes! Consider someone making a career choice: Compare tax exemption, auto-deference, social patrice Jun 2012 #5

that handmade34 Jun 2012 #12

Inheriting all that money is really hard work. nt nanabugg Jun 2012 #76

It's not their money.... chaska Jun 2012 #2

There are things you should not be allowed to profit off of. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #4

Do you actually mean that restaurants, bakeries, clothing manufacturers, builders and.. Walk away Jun 2012 #6

might I add handmade34 Jun 2012 #11

To be alive is to be exploitive FrodosPet Jun 2012 #128

the discussion is wealth handmade34 Jun 2012 #138

Then why would anyone do those things? dkf Jun 2012 #14

Only 13.5% of food workers make a livable wage thelordofhell Jun 2012 #17

YES. Shut down the clothing retail business, Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #18

Let me know before you pass that law 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #22

I believe I know what you mean. Some of those responding to you rhett o rick Jun 2012 #29

Precisely what I was getting at. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #32

Dont be too hard on them. They are just having some fun at your expense rhett o rick Jun 2012 #36

They have to reach for the most ridiculous or extreme examples, otherwise the paucity of their Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #40

I do not follow MightyOkie Jun 2012 #37

Where, oh where does anyone here say a doctor shouldnt get paid? That's called a rhett o rick Jun 2012 #45

There is a different between making a living and PROFITING off of something. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #65

+1 bahrbearian Jun 2012 #54

Especially when profits are valued over people... drokhole Jun 2012 #66

Everything comes from the sun or star stuff Sirveri Jun 2012 #112

Behind every great fortune is a great crime. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #116

I work damn hard too...or rather did... YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #3

What does deserving to keep your money mean? Not paying taxes? dkf Jun 2012 #15

Of course not. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #34

It's harder to get people to understand, but I think a more compelling arguement is about patrice Jun 2012 #7

i.e. Money = It's artificial. They made it all up and now they are killing everyone with/for it. patrice Jun 2012 #8

Distinguish between wealth, illth, and money Dragonfli Jun 2012 #21

+100000 for Wilson reference! drokhole Jun 2012 #69

Your welcome!, I only wish I had not lost the original text to a flood Dragonfli Jun 2012 #77

"energy transferred"! I like this very much! nt patrice Jun 2012 #70

+1. Alan Watts on Money... drokhole Jun 2012 #67

AW was my first husband's guru. He was a motor-cycle gypsy who worked for big corporations patrice Jun 2012 #72

Alan Watts was my first "teacher" when my self education turned towards the east. I posted Dragonfli Jun 2012 #74

Over-generalization inaccurately describes reality slackmaster Jun 2012 #9

"I know wealthy people who really did work hard" Mairead Jun 2012 #93

good point ThomThom Jun 2012 #143

I swear America is experiencing Stockholm syndrome with our countries' rich. Initech Jun 2012 #10

+1000! SunSeeker Jun 2012 #50

I honestly don't know how a working person can say that. Marr Jun 2012 #13

Money = savings. dkf Jun 2012 #16

I don't follow you. Marr Jun 2012 #20

That is because it has little relation to reality. nt SunSeeker Jun 2012 #51

I think the rest of us have to start playing by THEIR rules, even though they keep telling us NOT to Volaris Jun 2012 #26

volaris!!! just righteous...just righteous liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #59

The other thing that crossed my mind this afternoon Volaris Jun 2012 #75

you deserve a hug handmade34 Jun 2012 #19

I have no grief with someone who through hard work, intelligence, skill, creativity, etc 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #23

I do... handmade34 Jun 2012 #46

So Bill Gates didn't contribute anything of value to society? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #61

I didn't say that handmade34 Jun 2012 #92

The vast majority of innovation is done by a tiny handful of individuals 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #100

Actually, almost all of what Bill contributed WAS done by others, that is the funny part of Dragonfli Jun 2012 #111

Yes, he had an uncanny ability to aquire ownership of and profit off of the innovations of others. Dragonfli Jun 2012 #110

Then pick any innovator of your choosing 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #117

Tell her to send her SSI to Mittens to offset those taxes he pays n2doc Jun 2012 #24

It's hate. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #25

The rich own the government,military,mass media,... Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #27

I have no problem with people keeping the money they earn. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #28

I just don't get you. Herlong Jun 2012 #30

Because voters like her hurt us. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #52

How many relatives do have? Herlong Jun 2012 #53

There's no such thing as a wealthy person that has earned it. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #31

Not one? hack89 Jun 2012 #41

i think your missing the point liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #60

Kudos Herlong Jun 2012 #62

"Pays them well", How much are they making per hour and what benefits do they get? n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #68

Well above minimum with good health care. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #71

How much do they make per hour? n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #73

Depends on seniority. hack89 Jun 2012 #78

"Very good paying"? What is the hourly wage? n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #79

Between 12 and 18. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #80

We have two very different opinions regarding the definitions of "very good paying" Taitertots Jun 2012 #81

Starting at $26,000 with health care hack89 Jun 2012 #82

It is well below living wage for anyone with a family to support Taitertots Jun 2012 #84

He is such an ogre hack89 Jun 2012 #90

You persist in misunderstanding Mairead Jun 2012 #94

+1000 handmade34 Jun 2012 #114

So what exactly is their labor is worth? hack89 Jun 2012 #123

You're joking, aren't you? Mairead Jun 2012 #130

So what profit is the owner due? hack89 Jun 2012 #133

Why should he be due profit rather than salary? Mairead Jun 2012 #136

He risked his capital for one. hack89 Jun 2012 #139

Okay, let's say that he started out a nobody Mairead Jun 2012 #146

Why not give people the choice to work for him? hack89 Jun 2012 #148

No reason why not -- as long as it's a real *choice* Mairead Jun 2012 #150

I made that choice and it was a real choice. hack89 Jun 2012 #154

I don't think you understand what "choice" means Mairead Jun 2012 #156

So if you had the power hack89 Jun 2012 #125

I'd limit business forms to (a) individual/immediate-family, and (b) cooperative/collective Mairead Jun 2012 #131

So how would you restrict individual initiative? hack89 Jun 2012 #134

I thought I understood your question, but I didn't. Could you ask it a different way? (nt) Mairead Jun 2012 #137

How are new businesses and products created? hack89 Jun 2012 #140

Someone (or several someones) decides to do it Mairead Jun 2012 #145

Good luck with that. hack89 Jun 2012 #149

From that response, I'm fairly sure you don't know what "human nature" is Mairead Jun 2012 #155

Is it free heathcare, or do the employees EARN it? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #95

Of course they earn it. hack89 Jun 2012 #124

Ever hear the phrase "total compensation"? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #158

I wouldn't use that term, but I'd seriously question whether he deserves his wealth Taitertots Jun 2012 #99

So if you had the power hack89 Jun 2012 #126

More progressive income taxation, significantly higher minimum wage... Taitertots Jun 2012 #159

Agree with most except taxing wealth and capital gains hack89 Jun 2012 #160

I'm guessing more than they would have made per hour if those jobs hadn't materialized 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #101

B/c if a tiny minority doesn't become wealthy while the masses struggle than no jobs will exist n/t Taitertots Jun 2012 #102

It's unclear what your grief is with this person 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #103

My grief is that people are claiming he deserves to be wealthy... Taitertots Jun 2012 #161

I remember the documentary I saw on the exploitative labor practices of community laundromats 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #164

What is stopping me? Duh, egregious income and wealth inequality is stopping me Taitertots Jun 2012 #165

Uh huh, so the man is keeping you from your dream of starting a laundromat business? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #166

Economic inequality is keeping millions of people from realizing their dreams Taitertots Jun 2012 #167

And when has their not been economic inequality? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #168

There is excessive inequality today. In the past it was significantly lower Taitertots Jun 2012 #169

"In the past it was significantly lower" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #170

When those groups suffered economic inequality, they had almost no economic mobility Taitertots Jun 2012 #171

So in one post you claim inequality is at a historic high 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #172

In general income inequality was low, when you look at different groups you get different numbers Taitertots Jun 2012 #174

Thank goodness, someone with a brain. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #153

That is pseudo-economic non-sense Taitertots Jun 2012 #162

That's not wealthy- that's upper middle class. Marr Jun 2012 #97

Years of psychological manipulation is almost impossible to overcome. I was startled years ago by... freshwest Jun 2012 #33

That's a pretty astounding test you were given. calimary Jun 2012 #47

I'm glad you make the effort to out-think poll takers. We all need to Populist_Prole Jun 2012 #119

"pat on the head" jaysunb Jun 2012 #63

I would love to see that test. Marr Jun 2012 #85

We were tested almost 4 hours a day for a week. The tests included calculus, history, logic and a freshwest Jun 2012 #87

I would say that it has gotten much worse now... kentuck Jun 2012 #88

That was what they did with us, to break our solidarity with each other, in teams of 10 or less. freshwest Jun 2012 #108

My observation is that a huge majority of workers do not understand... kentuck Jun 2012 #109

Ugghh!! What a truly rotten corporate culture it is there Populist_Prole Jun 2012 #118

Nothing red light like PR, entertainment, chemical or pharma. It's no longer in a recognizable form. freshwest Jun 2012 #122

The thread is worth reading for this post. NT lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #157

Workers are the ones who work hard. The wealthy just skim the profits off. begin_within Jun 2012 #35

Seems like a good time for a quote by Lincoln... kentuck Jun 2012 #38

Getting rich is not necessarily a function of working hard. freethought Jun 2012 #39

Plus there is no company/organization without the people. CBHagman Jun 2012 #91

I love you. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Jun 2012 #42

Class - TBF Jun 2012 #43

"I, like most of the American people, don't begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the Karmadillo Jun 2012 #44

Growing up, I remember how everyone respected government. Seems to me that secondwind Jun 2012 #48

The principle source of wealth in the U.S. is not work, but coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #49

Moving money around in the stock market is exhausting. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #55

I think we need to have a definition of what "rich" is Meiko Jun 2012 #56

I'd disagree. It's more important to know *how* the money was gained Mairead Jun 2012 #96

Worked hard trying to find more ways to steal from the 99%, nt crunch60 Jun 2012 #57

The one that gets me is OIL, Its theirs , they drilled it ,(they spilled it) they get the profits. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #58

You cannot be nice with these people. Dawson Leery Jun 2012 #64

So the richest 400 work harder, all put together, than the bottom 150 MILLION. woo me with science Jun 2012 #83

Workers also worked hard but deserve to have their income taken away to pay the wealthy. Kablooie Jun 2012 #86

that's a great rant. barbtries Jun 2012 #89

What does "wealthy" mean to her? ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #98

That's a very good point 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #104

Which is really the crux of the issue. What IS wealthy? mainer Jun 2012 #144

and does wealthy ctaylors6 Jun 2012 #147

Income is different than savings that isn't being touched. haele Jun 2012 #163

Amazing, isn't it? OnionPatch Jun 2012 #105

Agreed, this meme may have had its use in the old agrarian economy treestar Jun 2012 #106

If labor did not create the wealth... kentuck Jun 2012 #107

The wealthy make all their money from OUR work. Sirveri Jun 2012 #113

Networking at the country club is "hard work". Odin2005 Jun 2012 #115

Nobody deserves that much money. NOBODY. Hugabear Jun 2012 #120

Some rich people work hard while some don't Nikia Jun 2012 #121

The waelthy have raped and pillaged the poor to get rich (it's called greed) Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #127

Many wealthy people have worked hard, many have not Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #129

Paris Hilton works hard? GCP Jun 2012 #132

Working people work for money. kentuck Jun 2012 #135

Seems we give so much weight to imaginary constructs LanternWaste Jun 2012 #141

some did; probably a minute percentage. someone like michael moore, worked hard to get his cash. dionysus Jun 2012 #142

The Right tends to de-value any work that is not done behind a desk using a checkbook librechik Jun 2012 #151

The working poor DESERVE HEALTH CARE & EARNED ENTITLEMENTS when they grow too old & weak to work supraTruth Jun 2012 #152

We deserve health care and earned entitlements when we grow too old and too weak to work Herlong Jun 2012 #176

I agree completely Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #173

No clobberin' time Herlong Jun 2012 #175