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Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:31 AM Jun 2016

Rejectionist movements should terrify all liberal democracies (Mounk in Slate) [View all]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/britons_radical_rejection_of_the_status_quo_should_terrify_all_liberal_democracies.html

As my recent research shows, British voters are far from alone in turning against the limits on the popular will that constitute an important element of liberal democracy. Across most countries in North America and Western Europe, voters have grown deeply dissatisfied with the political class. For a rapidly growing number, this dissatisfaction with particular leaders has started to transform into an actual rejection of democratic institutions. Across North America and Western Europe, the number of citizens who say that it is important to live in a democracy is shrinking. At the same time, the number of citizens who are open to making their countries more authoritarian is rising.

This trend is especially striking in the United States. Two decades ago, 1 in 16 Americans believed that Army rule would be a good way to run the country. Today, it is 1 in 6. The picture is even bleaker among the young and affluent: Support for military rule in this group has increased nearly sixfold, from 6 percent to 35 percent.

Obviously, Brexit won’t lead to military rule. Nor is the Pentagon about to assume power in America. Opinion polls need to be interpreted carefully and with a healthy dose of skepticism. But when they show such a stark shift in opinion, it is safe to conclude that something big is going on. That big thing, I fear, is that the citizens of liberal democracies have grown so disenchanted with the status quo that they are willing to put their faith in populist strongmen and radical political experiments.

Two decades ago, far-right populists were electorally insignificant in most of North America and Western Europe. Then, people such as Jörg Haider in Austria, Geert Wilders in the Netherlands, and Marine Le Pen in France celebrated a remarkable string of political successes, establishing their movements as a firm part of their political systems and making their countries less hospitable for immigrants and other minority groups. In countries such as the United States, France, or Sweden, they are now within striking distance of outright majorities. Thursday’s referendum proves that there is no magic firewall that is sure to stop them.
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This stunned disbelief from the indolent twitterati about the consequences of misrule in democratic bemildred Jun 2016 #1
It is a mystery though Recursion Jun 2016 #2
A mystery to you perhaps.That does not make it a mystery. bemildred Jun 2016 #3
No the standard of living in the US peaked around 1968, in the UK 1971, and has been in GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #26
Nope. Recursion Jun 2016 #27
You perhaps aren't interested in facts as you are the one "making up crap," sir. GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #30
Notice that agrees with me Recursion Jun 2016 #33
Income is only one part of people's standard of living and quality of life. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #40
True; it's "just" the part that buys it... (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #43
The problem with Brexit is that BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #4
Priceless. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #5
Well stated, BlueMTexpat. secondwind Jun 2016 #10
Unfortunately. BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #11
Singapore is a small part of an island AngryAmish Jun 2016 #16
Singapore was originally part of BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #22
Equating ASEAN to EU is so intellectually dishonest as to approach a lie AngryAmish Jun 2016 #28
Sheesh - did I "equate" BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #31
They're also in ASEAN and joining the TPP (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #25
So. Well. Said. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #18
Well expressed. n/t Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #41
Precisely. n/t ljm2002 Jun 2016 #39
Behind the support for Brexit and Trump: Economic resentment bemildred Jun 2016 #6
Its strange how people see puffy socks Jun 2016 #51
The only people that see that in the first place are people who like things as they are. bemildred Jun 2016 #54
Brexit and the anti-elite revolt: What UK vote may mean for Clinton and Trump bemildred Jun 2016 #7
What a Failure to Predict Brexit Means for the U.S. bemildred Jun 2016 #8
“As a political matter, you have to take working class viewpoints seriously.” nt bemildred Jun 2016 #9
Their views would make them poorer, so, no we don't (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #12
I thought this was going to affect everybody? nt bemildred Jun 2016 #13
Who said that? Recursion Jun 2016 #14
The OP? bemildred Jun 2016 #15
We should, because we don't want to erase the gains the working class has seen in the past 20 years Recursion Jun 2016 #17
Well, they seem to have thwarted your will to do them good. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #19
Yep. Not the first time, either (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #20
Which brings us back to post #9. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #21
Tsipras blames Brexit on austerity, deficiencies in EU leadership bemildred Jun 2016 #23
What does the EU have to do with austerity? Recursion Jun 2016 #24
It's a lesson for all governments FLPanhandle Jun 2016 #29
Yes it is hard: how do you make citizens feel listened to when their ideas will harm them? Recursion Jun 2016 #32
Then your job to communicate and convince them. FLPanhandle Jun 2016 #35
Try listening. I find that often makes people feel listened to. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #36
I have listened, and people don't know WTF they're talking about Recursion Jun 2016 #37
They need good jobs. Did you get that part? nt bemildred Jun 2016 #38
Then they need to leave the rust belt Recursion Jun 2016 #42
Right, they are on their own, aren't they. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #44
We sure as hell were in the "golden" 1970s people seem to miss Recursion Jun 2016 #45
Apparently, in Britain, you don't have to do that, instead you can vote bemildred Jun 2016 #46
Hey, if we could vote on adopting a Westminster-style government I'd vote yes in a heartbeat Recursion Jun 2016 #47
I assure you it can be done here too. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #48
If you don't want your system to be rejected, best make sure that system does not revise Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #34
+1 QC Jun 2016 #49
Who is dumb enough to think "Army rule" is a good idea? Oneironaut Jun 2016 #50
35% of well-off Millennials support a military dictatorship? Odin2005 Jun 2016 #52
"Thursday’s referendum proves that there is no magic firewall that is sure to stop them." lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #53
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