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In reply to the discussion: As a British citizen, I am oscillating between sadness and rage: Brexit is the worst of times [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)57. The Left imagines a "more democratic EU". So do I. The far-right imagines no EU at all.
... building bridges across Europe, bringing democrats together across borders and political parties, is what Europe needs more than ever to avoid a slide into a xenophobic, deflationary, 1930s-like abyss.
... though we tried, we could not convince to people of Britain to stay.
... though we tried, we could not convince to people of Britain to stay.
I could not agree more. And I am heartened that the Left campaigned for Remain. I agree with them on that, too.
The question is whether the victory for Brexit brings a "democratic EU" closer or whether it brings the far-right vision of no EU and a xenophobic hyper-nationalism 1930's-like closer. The fact that the Left campaigned for Remain answers that question but does not change the victory for the far-right. We need to deal with that.
A more democratic EU would lead to an open, liberal continent governed together in the long run. The far-right would hate that and will work for their own "Brexit" referendums in the near future. The momentum is now on their side.
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As a British citizen, I am oscillating between sadness and rage: Brexit is the worst of times [View all]
DonViejo
Jun 2016
OP
we have to make sure the US media doesn't let the tRumpians spew their lies here unfettered
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#2
I suppose these nefarious characters are also influencing Italy, Spain,Netherlands and all countries
swhisper1
Jun 2016
#51
The way I see it is they're cheering that Banksters/Corporations are finally gonna get theirs! Yes!
justiceischeap
Jun 2016
#6
The media spin is interesting. They don't want to admit that part of the reason this passed
newthinking
Jun 2016
#23
Most Trump supporters think "their concerns over immigration had been ignored".
pampango
Jun 2016
#22
The "distant and unrepresentative" bureaucracy in Washington is what conservatives here always
pampango
Jun 2016
#29
But we don't vote for the bureaucrats. Conservatives love to complain about them.
pampango
Jun 2016
#35
To try and equate this to the US is ignorant of the situation, respectfully. nt
phazed0
Jun 2016
#26
Older conservatives are uncomfortable with immigration all over the world. Immigrants
pampango
Jun 2016
#31
Immigration in the UK is less than every Western European country other than Finland and Denmark.
pampango
Jun 2016
#39
The Left imagines a "more democratic EU". So do I. The far-right imagines no EU at all.
pampango
Jun 2016
#57