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Peacetrain

(24,288 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:10 PM Jun 2016

The 1950's were not all that great and they are not coming back [View all]

The racism, sexism, xenophobia, fear of the other, that so permeated the 50's... (yes I was a kid then) that the Trump and others keeps trying to drag the United States back to.. well we can drag ourselves back to the hate pretty easily.. but the jobs and the industries that brought so many into the middle class.. they are not there and never will be again.. the world has moved on..

When you graduated high school in the 50's and even if you didn't graduate.. you could get yourself a half way decent paying job.. you might have to move to places like Chicago or Detroit.. but that work was there.

The world was recovering from the devastation of WW2 .. and 50 % of the world manufacturing was done in the United States.. 50%.. just think about that.. because the rest of the world was in rubble.. literally..

Unions boomed.. and 1 car per family was plenty and the norm.. 1 phone was all the family needed.. forget about computers, laptops etc that change every 2 years and you have to dig into the money you do not have because you need that intersection with the internet now..HUGE changes in how we have to live and conduct our lives now..

The industries are gone.. they moved overseas to cheaper human labor.. but even if you moved those industries back aka Trump.. they are automated.. you do not need those vast numbers of people on the line to get a product out.. those days are gone forever.

This is a changing time.. and how we come out on the other side of this is anyone's guess at this moment.. but the longing for those 50's type jobs.. that is not going to happen.. we would have to destroy the world again to get back to have all the industrial production in our country .. and even then.. we would not need the same number of workers.

My Dad started out in coal country.. as a coal miner.. and got to go to school on the GI bill that landed us in the Midwest.. but coal miners.. if the coal industry came back full tilt .. it is automated.. you wold not need the same number of workers.. just an example


Politicians selling that to people are selling them a lie.. they did it in the UK..

What we need are people willing to pull us into what ever the next great movement is.. Millennials and younger Xers..understand this.. the days of the 50's type jobs were just a blip in history..

3D printers are making cars and buses.. guns and furniture etc etc.. its a brave new world out there..

Its fearful, because we have never been there before.. and that is what we are dealing with now.. fear of what is ahead and the changes coming..



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This needs to be written on a tablet of bronze (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #1
+1000 JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #2
Everyone is talking economic yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #41
And it was false then Recursion Jun 2016 #45
And having the same government investment in education and infrastructure tk2kewl Jun 2016 #79
It wouldn't push wages up Recursion Jun 2016 #80
I think large investments in transportation, energy and communications infrastructure tk2kewl Jun 2016 #81
I don't, though I think they'd be absolute goods on their own Recursion Jun 2016 #84
Shorter term... More jobs will boost wages tk2kewl Jun 2016 #96
Great point Recursion Jun 2016 #97
I've never understood the nostalgia for the 1950s cagefreesoylentgreen Jun 2016 #3
I grew up in the 50s - black and white TV was perfect rurallib Jun 2016 #11
1950s = Pleasantville 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #24
That movie came to mind as well genxlib Jun 2016 #34
And network news was straight news without heavy bias. floriduck Jun 2016 #28
ITA, raccoon Jun 2016 #73
"When the world and I were young, Just yesterday..." lastlib Jun 2016 #93
I grew up in the '50s madokie Jun 2016 #105
Not to mention 1950's diseases like polio, measles, etc. Childhood leukemia was a death sentence. SharonAnn Jun 2016 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #4
They were awesome for straight white men. Women not so much. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #6
I thought I heard that women Urchin Jun 2016 #23
Do you have a link to back your statement? lunatica Jun 2016 #26
YES! brush Jun 2016 #29
You can find it Urchin Jun 2016 #103
I didn't realize this was such a big secret Urchin Jun 2016 #102
It's not that it's a secret or not lunatica Jun 2016 #107
Do you usually just believe things you thought you heard? Mariana Jun 2016 #63
Look for my reply to lunatica Urchin Jun 2016 #104
White straight men. Gay people were considered mentally ill in the 1950s. yardwork Jun 2016 #37
Yikes,of course you're right. I'll edit. nt sufrommich Jun 2016 #48
No problem. I knew it wasn't an intentional oversight. yardwork Jun 2016 #51
It was unintentional,but I like to be historically accurate. sufrommich Jun 2016 #52
Yes. There was never a time that women spooky3 Jun 2016 #90
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #25
Bingo! "Racism...that's the basis of the nostalgia." Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #67
Rec - because JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #7
My son is a Middle Milleanial.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #9
You are probably my mom's contemporary JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #13
It's not The Bomb and White Citizens Councils that people miss. It's stable jobs with pensions leveymg Jun 2016 #8
Did you read the op? Peacetrain Jun 2016 #10
Did you read his post? We recognize that the jobs are gone. That doesn't mean we can't rhett o rick Jun 2016 #14
Again what the hell are you talking about and to whom? this addressed to the Trumps Peacetrain Jun 2016 #18
It's pretty clear that this is more than Johnson and Trump. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #54
But the service jobs of today Freddie Jun 2016 #15
The service jobs of today are demeaned.. Peacetrain Jun 2016 #21
Yes. But, the "'50s type job" (full benefits) and a generous social net is still worth fighting for leveymg Jun 2016 #16
We should raise the income tax to 90+ percent again Urchin Jun 2016 #31
Hear, hear... Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #68
Scotland and Northern Ireland call bullshit on your analysis. nt pkdu Jun 2016 #17
How so? Scotland and the Northern Ireland stand to gain by keeping EU membership, even if they have leveymg Jun 2016 #20
Did you even reread your own post?..Scotland and Northern Ireland are just as impacted by income pkdu Jun 2016 #22
The regions of the English Midlands and South are the one that lost industry and jobs. leveymg Jun 2016 #60
+1,000 HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #77
Some stuff was good, some stuff was bad. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #12
We're on our way to 1950s homeownership rates unless something changes! Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #19
I completely disagree Urchin Jun 2016 #27
The '50s were great if you were white and male. POCs and women need not apply back then though. brush Jun 2016 #33
My 2 grandmothers were housewives in the 1950's and were very happy yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #44
Did your grandmothers not want their own careers? How about you? You want to be a housewife? brush Jun 2016 #46
Lol. I'm a dude for one yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #55
Did you ever ask them if they wanted a careeer, instead of assuming, as men often do, . . . brush Jun 2016 #64
Don't expect a cogent reply any time soon. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #69
I guess their husbands didn't beat them. because back then raccoon Jun 2016 #74
I don't get your meaning Urchin Jun 2016 #30
Rates, not percentage increase. Link to Harvard study Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #62
Life was simpler in the 50s bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #32
We have traded Urchin Jun 2016 #36
Cher couldn't do it, and neither can you or anyone else. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be... Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #70
The Founders Did it Urchin Jun 2016 #100
I was a teen in the 50's. FlaGranny Jun 2016 #92
"the 50's sound" niyad Jun 2016 #35
Just because something rhymes Urchin Jun 2016 #38
and your point is? niyad Jun 2016 #43
Well done! JTFrog Jun 2016 #91
kristin lems is one of my favourite singer/songwriters. niyad Jun 2016 #98
Unions made the difference in the 50's jg10003 Jun 2016 #39
we need to re-unionize. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #40
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #42
One minor change to a great post.... fob Jun 2016 #47
There were no internet crimes back then and less terrorism IronLionZion Jun 2016 #49
Born in 68 awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #50
The average jobs back then could susport a middle class lifestyle davidn3600 Jun 2016 #53
Middle Class now has Cryptoad Jun 2016 #56
It took a world war and tens of millions of deaths to make it possible for us AZ Progressive Jun 2016 #58
The 50 s rocked maindawg Jun 2016 #57
40% of the workforce, in the private sector, was unionized. One unionized job could support a family demosincebirth Jun 2016 #59
The era of automation is hardly going to be a "great movement". HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #61
Change may not be intrinsically "good" (a value judgment), but it IS inevitable and inexorable. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #71
I dunno, do you have a magical way to consume with no income? HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #76
It is neither good nor bad, it just IS, as the ruling principle of the universe. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #78
Yes, I suppose it's far easier to just wash our hands of the whole upcoming mess . . . HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #83
Couldn't agree more: " We need tangible solutions..." and Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #86
Strom Thurmond SheriffBob Jun 2016 #65
And, THIS IS REALITY. Too many people refuse to look it in the face and deal with it. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #66
Houses were a lot smaller then. houses built in the 50's raccoon Jun 2016 #72
This is neither here nor there, but I came across it again today and like it. betsuni Jun 2016 #75
Some of the best Vehicle designs of all time... ileus Jun 2016 #82
I wasn't "around" for the 50s BUT... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #85
Interracial Marriage... TNProfessor Jun 2016 #87
On some levels I agree, but with caveats..... LongTomH Jun 2016 #88
"Leave It to Beaver" was not a documentary. Ilsa Jun 2016 #89
... and neither is the EU coming back. Brave New World was Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #94
duck and cover and fallout shelters? no thank you dembotoz Jun 2016 #99
Logical fallacy: if industry is so automated brentspeak Jun 2016 #101
It's was about income distribution AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #106
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