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AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
60. drive-by lightweight woo, you rebutted nothing I posited, and here is a direct example of the EU
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016

implementing an anti-worker stance. The EU practises union pacification and dis-empowerment, it is structurally set up to erode worker's protection and to encourage a permanent floating pool of cheap labour, mobile and insert-able into transnationals via exemption to member states' own labour rules and laws.

Explain how THESE European Court of Justice rulings are pro worker (hint Thomas, Alito, Roberts would be proud):

Laval, Viking Line and the Limited Right to Strike


http://www.elaweb.org.uk/resources/ela-briefing/laval-viking-line-and-limited-right-strike

Two European Court of Justice rulings, Viking Line and Laval, have a potentially far-reaching impact on the lawfulness of industrial action in the UK. In both cases, employees sought to strike to protest against plans to replace workers from one EU country with lower-paid workers from another. The central legal issue was the tension between the freedoms of movement and establishment (under articles 49 and 43 of EC Treaty) and the lawfulness of industrial action that could limit those freedoms. Daniel Ornstein focuses on three aspects of the rulings. First, they place new limitations on the lawfulness of industrial action. Secondly, where industrial action is potentially incompatible with community law, they require the UK courts to adopt a radically new approach to applications for injunctive relief to prevent industrial action. Thirdly, while on the surface the rulings are limited to where there is an international element involving more than one community member state, the influence of the decisions may nonetheless be far-reaching

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Justified and proportionate

The ECJ held in both cases that the issue of whether industrial action is justified and proportionate is a matter for national courts. Nonetheless, it provided guidance as to how to address these issues.

As to justification, the ECJ held that ''the right to take collective action for the protection of workers was a legitimate interest, which in principle justified a restriction of one of the fundamental freedoms guaranteed by the Treaty''. As to proportionality (only addressed in Viking Line), it was held that national courts should assess whether the union taking industrial action has ''other means at its disposal which were less restrictive of freedom of establishment'' and has ''exhausted those means''.

These requirements impose significant new restrictions on when industrial action is lawful in the UK. For example, the requirement under UK law for lawful industrial action to relate to a trade dispute (defined in s.218 of Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act and interpreted broadly by the courts), appears wider than the requirement from the ECJ that lawful industrial action must protect workers' rights. Where community rights apply, the narrower ECJ test rather than the broader TULR(C)A will apply.

In addition, the guidance that the ECJ has given on proportionality suggests that the lawfulness of industrial action will depend on matters including the steps a union has taken to try to resolve a dispute, the alternatives to taking industrial action and the level of impact that the issues in dispute has on employees - matters that have no bearing on the lawfulness of industrial action under UK domestic law.



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The far-reaching international element

Although it may appear that the influence of the Viking Line and Laval cases is restricted because it only applies where there is an international element, this may not be the case.

First, Viking Line and Laval confirm that the magnitude of any restriction to the freedom of movement or establishment is irrelevant. This means that an act of a trade union can be challenged by an employer on community law grounds even if it only results in a trifling restriction to free movement or establishment.

Secondly, there is scope for companies to plan their business affairs in a way that enables them to rely on an international element to challenge industrial action.

Thirdly, it is arguable that the ability to invoke community rights only where there is an international element is of itself a restriction of community rights. This is on the grounds that if an employer has lesser protection against industrial action in relation to, say, a move from Manchester to Liverpool than a move from Manchester to Lodz, this of itself operates (albeit indirectly) as a restriction of an employer's freedom of movement and establishment in the UK because the employer is less free to operate in the UK than in Poland.


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Conclusion

These two rulings impose substantive new restrictions on the lawfulness of industrial action and require the UK courts to adopt a new approach to the grant of injunctive relief, at least where there is a direct international element. Moreover, they may also apply where there is very little or even no direct international element. There is therefore every reason to conclude that Viking Line and Laval have provided employers with a potent new weapon with which to oppose industrial action.




I can posit many other examples that I have seen and observed as an actual EU resident.

You simply are either ill-informed due to lack of time spent on research or poor sources of information, definitely shallow in your reply, and/or lack substantive knowledge on the subject.
amazing how TPP haters seem to love the EU so much nt msongs Jun 2016 #1
It's amazing that haters of trade deals... Meldread Jun 2016 #2
you just dont get it, it is not JUST Brexit, the entire EU was a priori a horrid project AntiBank Jun 2016 #4
Oh, I know exactly what you people want. Meldread Jun 2016 #5
ask the Greeks about fuckery AntiBank Jun 2016 #6
You are too busy engaging in the imaginary battle in your mind... Meldread Jun 2016 #7
I can simply reply that you have far too little faith for Labour AntiBank Jun 2016 #10
It is not the left that I do not have faith in, it is the voters. Meldread Jun 2016 #13
you keep saying neoliberalism is the far right, it is not, it is an infection of the left (making AntiBank Jun 2016 #17
Agree. Sometimes rebuilding from bottom up only answer. George Eliot Jun 2016 #19
Neoliberalism is defined by... Meldread Jun 2016 #20
"a general favoring of laissez-faire economic ideals, support for privatization, fiscal austerity, AntiBank Jun 2016 #25
Neoliberalism is NOT leftist. a la izquierda Jun 2016 #48
never said it was left, obviously AntiBank Jun 2016 #49
No, you said it's an infection of the left. a la izquierda Jun 2016 #62
I think the point was that the Aerows Jun 2016 #63
Well that I can agree with... a la izquierda Jun 2016 #64
and that is what I meant AntiBank Jun 2016 #65
btw I had read that Mason article several days ago AntiBank Jun 2016 #18
not the collapse, just reform swhisper1 Jun 2016 #26
"You people"?? whathehell Jun 2016 #50
watch and wait till Clinton does her likely post election pivot and TPP (if not rammed through AntiBank Jun 2016 #3
First intelligent thread on Brexit I've read. Thanks. George Eliot Jun 2016 #8
It is an immigrant issue: that's what the polls all show was the Leave voters' main concern muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #44
But the main reason... JSup Jun 2016 #46
Yeah, that's the situation in the UK. Government policy has caused a housing shortage muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #47
Yeah, employment is pretty decent... JSup Jun 2016 #61
K&R - though the EU didn't start off corrupt. closeupready Jun 2016 #9
Fido didn't start off... sendero Jun 2016 #12
Well regardless, it doesn't matter what I think - I'm American, and closeupready Jun 2016 #15
On the other hand, there's this to consider: closeupready Jun 2016 #16
Corruption. Everything becomes corrupt. Americans must stay informed. George Eliot Jun 2016 #23
UK just dug their own grave. JaneyVee Jun 2016 #11
That's why British unions, Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders supported Remain and pampango Jun 2016 #14
Link Bernie's support please. Per link, not so. George Eliot Jun 2016 #22
For example... LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #29
Sure. "Bernie Sanders Says He Hopes Britain Votes To Remain In The European Union" pampango Jun 2016 #31
Just wait until the 3rd Greek bailout and the upcoming European bank crisis. roamer65 Jun 2016 #21
+1000 laundry_queen Jun 2016 #42
It is hard to have a discussion with folks that don't know the difference between free and fair Rex Jun 2016 #24
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #27
This is bullshit. I'm european and I remember how it was before the single market` anigbrowl Jun 2016 #28
Thanks for some firsthand knowledge. Hoyt Jun 2016 #30
I am a European resident too, some of it pre EU and you are dramatically distorting things AntiBank Jun 2016 #32
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #34
you are the one with willful ignorance, all you do is ad hominem attacks AntiBank Jun 2016 #36
bullshit eh? AntiBank Jun 2016 #43
I'm the Queen of England and think you're disingenuous. tenderfoot Jun 2016 #35
have you ever lived here in the EU? you have some nerve calling me AntiBank Jun 2016 #37
pwned AntiBank Jun 2016 #41
Man d_r Jun 2016 #53
Debt at all levels (personal, private business, local governmental, national, and international) AntiBank Jun 2016 #33
The EU has done a better job of protecting workers' rights than the Tories would've done Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #38
go tell that to the millions of Eastern Europeans who are being AntiBank Jun 2016 #39
I'll be expecting the Tory's to enact sweeping labor laws soon. joshcryer Jun 2016 #45
Well said. British unions supported Remain because they trusted the EU more than they trusted the pampango Jun 2016 #40
"Whichever Tory is the next prime minister". That says it right all there. Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #54
Labour campaigned to stay in the EU so I would love to see them win the next election. pampango Jun 2016 #56
The EU did such a good job with workers rights 52% of Brits voted to Leave Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #51
Or both Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #52
No doubt racists are getting their rocks off but that doesn't explain 52% Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #55
Older conservative voters favored Leave. Younger liberal voters favored Remain. pampango Jun 2016 #57
That's Odd TubbersUK Jun 2016 #58
I completely disagree. The EU has been wonderful for workers. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #59
drive-by lightweight woo, you rebutted nothing I posited, and here is a direct example of the EU AntiBank Jun 2016 #60
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