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Bernardo de La Paz

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60. +1. And Austerity is the worst response to tough economic times.

Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:52 PM

Jun 2016

It makes perfect sense to go into deficit when the economy needs a boost.

Infrastructure projects especially put spending money directly into the economy and lay the ground work for recovery, when the existing infrastructure becomes more strained.

When a recovery starts going strongly, pull back on spending a bit and increase taxes a bit. That is the time to run a surplus to pay down public debt. When there is extra money.

Just like a true business.

Republicans and conservatives who say they are "running the government like a business" just want to strangle it all the time 24/7/365. Like the travesty in Kansas.

Compared to the success a Democratic Governor is having in California.

And you are spot on about bigots and immigrants.

+1 for paper ballots.

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