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auntpurl

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Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:26 PM Jun 2016

Understanding Brexit: "View from Wales: Town showered with EU cash votes to leave EU" [View all]

I strongly urge anyone who is still laboring under the misapprehension that there was organised, rational, considered thought behind the majority of Leave voters' decision to read this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale?CMP=fb_gu

“What’s the EU ever done for us?” Zak Kelly, 21, asks me this standing next to a brand new complex of buildings and facilities that wouldn’t look out of place in Canary Wharf. It’s not Canary Wharf, though, it’s Ebbw Vale, a former steel town of 18,000 people in the heart of the Welsh valleys, where 62% of the population – the highest proportion in Wales – voted Leave.

To go there – along a new dual carriageway – and stand next to the town’s new sixth form and training college, a glass and steel architectural showpiece next to its new leisure centre, a few hundred yards away from a new train station, is to stare into the abyss of the UK’s failed Remain campaign.

Even Kelly, who has just finished a training session on a brand new football pitch, backtracks slightly after asking that question. “Well, I know … they built all this,” he says, and motions his head at the impressive facilities that are all around us. “But we put in more money than we get out, don’t we?”


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“There was only one word people had on their mind: immigration. They didn’t look at the facts at all.”

Are there any immigrants in Ebbw Vale? “No! Hardly any. And the ones there are are all working, all contributing. It’s just … illogical. I just don’t think people looked at the facts at all.”

It’s a town with almost no immigrants that voted to get the immigrants out. A town that has been showered with EU cash that no longer wants to be part of the EU. A town that holds some of the clues, perhaps, in understanding quite how spectacularly the Remain message failed to land. There’s a sense of injustice that is far greater than the sum of the facts, and the political landscape has fractured and split. Zak Kelly says that many of his friends, in what is Nye Bevan’s old constituency, voted Ukip.


Adding definitions for Americans:
dual carriageway: highway
sixth form: high school, basically
training college: like a vocational college
football: soccer
UKIP: fascists
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K & R n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #1
Thanks to Brexit, London will get all the funds Bad Thoughts Jun 2016 #2
Yes the European Regional Development Fund helped a lot of places like this. Sort of what Bill OnDoutside Jun 2016 #4
Some of these places in the Welsh Valleys would give West Virginia a run for its money. Some towns OnDoutside Jun 2016 #3
Thatcher and Reagan really fucked up this planet. It is amazing how damaging those two were. Rex Jun 2016 #5
Yes but the unions don't get a pass on criticism either. Some of the intransigence to change was OnDoutside Jun 2016 #8
People forget how nice it is to have a pension, until they don't give out pensions anymore. Rex Jun 2016 #9
I think the Polarisation of politics in Western society is pushing all this to a head. Something is OnDoutside Jun 2016 #10
Perhaps. Igel Jun 2016 #14
This is how Ireland got the EU in-vote to pass, twice. They held two referendums. auntpurl Jun 2016 #19
Having voted in those Nice Referendums, the first was as you say, the second was massive threats and OnDoutside Jun 2016 #48
This sounds perfect. auntpurl Jun 2016 #49
Yes, absolutely true. It is a lack of leadership from the center in telling the people inconvenient OnDoutside Jun 2016 #47
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #27
Same story where I'm currently living TubbersUK Jun 2016 #6
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #7
Oddly enough, Glyn Ebwy has been populated by non-Welsh speaking outsiders since the late 1800s REP Jun 2016 #11
Interesting. Thanks for info. auntpurl Jun 2016 #15
Similar to the American South... Glorfindel Jun 2016 #12
Lee Atwater and the Southern Strategy. Rex Jun 2016 #17
I liked that cop show they filmed in Wales, Hinterland. There was supposed to be a third Skeeter Barnes Jun 2016 #13
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Ok. auntpurl Jun 2016 #18
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The UK already had complete control over both its borders and it economics auntpurl Jun 2016 #21
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That is a personal attack. auntpurl Jun 2016 #23
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"an UNLIMITED number of migrants who live in certain EU countries" auntpurl Jun 2016 #26
I am guessing they are someone who bought into conservative BS The Straight Story Jun 2016 #28
Yes, I'm not sure this poster is here with friendly intentions. auntpurl Jun 2016 #29
Thank god for MIRT, seriously. auntpurl Jun 2016 #35
Probably back at discussionist, where skinner abandoned the TOS and handed the site The Straight Story Jun 2016 #36
Sorry that one lasted so long. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2016 #37
You are doing the Lord's work. auntpurl Jun 2016 #38
It has taken some getting used to Rhiannon12866 Jun 2016 #39
Hello again! auntpurl Jun 2016 #45
Thanks! We know... Rhiannon12866 Jun 2016 #46
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Oh you mean that the media mischaracterised EU workers as "migrants" auntpurl Jun 2016 #33
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Are you the same one, or a different one? auntpurl Jun 2016 #41
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Why are you so upset with migrant workers? The UK takes in a small amount Rex Jun 2016 #31
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Right, you ARE the same one. MIRT! auntpurl Jun 2016 #44
Rarely (especially when it comes to conservatives) The Straight Story Jun 2016 #24
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When the UK decided for war with Iraq The Straight Story Jun 2016 #34
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